| Wed, Jan 21 2009 02:29pm GMT 1 |

Harry
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Pesky Prologues
Gosh, ain’t it fashionable to have a prologue these days. I did
it with two of my novels – once via a flashback, the other a
flashforward.
Mostly, I think these things are horribly overused. I wish I
could take the flashforward out of The Sons of Adam, I never
liked it at the time & I don’t like it now. People put them
in because they’re worried that their opening isn’t strong enough
without it. And my answer to that: Make the opening strong enough
and get rid of the prologue!
Each time you switch time periods or viewpoints at the start of a
book, it’s a log lying across the track of the reader’s
engagement with story.
But then again, everyone seems to use prologues, so my personal
aversion can’t be the last word in things. But still – please –
just for me – make any prologue short & sharp.
Or am I totally wrong? Do you like prologues? Like the Heated
Debate begin.
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| Mon, Feb 2 2009 05:10pm GMT 2 |

EmmaD
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I don't like or dislike - it depends what it's doing.
I do think it can be a lazy way of coping with backstory, or
creating suspense, or sorting out a piece of plot, or making up
for a dull opening chapter. So I think the
first impulse to have a prologue always needs to be fiercely
interrogated. I've also sometimes suggested to editorial
report-ees that, if the function of the prologue only becomes
clear well after the sample chapters, then it might be worth
leaving it out of a speculative submission, since quite a few
agents and editors share your view of them - no doubt for all the
reasons I've suggested. (I suggest reinstating it if they're
asked for the full MS - do tell me if you think that's a bad
idea!)
On the other hand, it can work. A Secret Alchemy has one, as a
very late addition, suggested by my editor. I'd re-ordered the
rest of the book, and the result was that it opened with a scene
which was right for the structure, but probably the most
conventional narrative in the book. She suggested that we needed
something to tune the reader into the fact that it wasn't
conventional historical storytelling at all: in narratological
terms, if you want to be pompous, I needed to create the
reader the book needed to work best.
And I found that it had all sorts of other uses too in
establishing genuine suspense, themes and ideas, characters,
voice - and despite the fact that it was in the voice of an
otherwise minor character, it wrote itself very fast, which is
always a sign that it's the right thing. And it's turned out to
be some reader's favourite part of the book. I often begin
readings with it.
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| Tue, Feb 3 2009 10:12am GMT 3 |

Jess
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I rather like them - I think one of the times that they work best
when they're a sort of teaser, providing a question that the rest
of the book then has to answer.
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| Wed, Feb 4 2009 11:35pm GMT 4 |

RichardB
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Many prologues (and epilogues) strike me as being like packing
tape. It's as if the novel won't hold together on its own, so you
stick something round the ends in the hope that it all won't fall
apart when you pick it up (as that simile just did).
The only person who's ever successfully communicated back-story
through a written prologue is George Lucas, and he only managed
it with the aid of rousing music, a great typeface, and scrolling
it all so fast it was gone before you realised that none of it
made much sense.
I'm sure, however, there are creative uses of prologues that
fully justify their existence as a literary device. Somewhere.
Anyone have an example of a great prologue?
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| Fri, Feb 6 2009 08:55am GMT 5 |

Linda
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Prologue and epilogues are subtle things. Budding writers seem to
incorporate them instinctively, which could be nurture or it
could be nature. If the latter, it suggests that these devices
have a role to play. I agree that they should not be used for
back - or forward - story in a lazy way; I also agree that they
should not take the place of a lively first page. I've always
used them, especially prologues, in quite an elaborate form,
'nesting' the story of one period in another. In a desire to be
simple, modern, accessible, I haven't used a prologue in the book
I'm working on, although there is an epilogue. But now, having
read this discussion, I'm thinking about it a bit more
consciously and I believe that this morning's session is going to
be the writing of a prologue. So very many thanks to WordCloud
for inspiring that!
Rules for prologues, if ever there should be rules, might
include: keep it short; don't include characters that will never
feature again; don't use it as a device for including backstory
which, properly, should be in the narrative; question whether you
need a prologue at all, i.e. don't have one just for the sake of
it.
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| Tue, Feb 10 2009 09:34pm GMT 6 |

AncientBat
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I've never used one, but I don't have a problem reading them if
the purpose is right - and that purpose is usually that the story
Should Start At The Beginning.
No, they're no substitute for properly incorporated backstory,
but what if your story started with a single incident 20 years in
the past? Unless you're doing a whole retrospective job (eg a
detective story) you want the reader to know what you know. A
time jump of 20 years in your main narrative is a lot uglier than
a prologue at the start - so what exactly is wrong with having
one?
These days I think a Prologue can have an additional function
similar to the 'pre-title sequence' of a film. Yes, sometimes
that's just a way of saying 'look, there's lots of action coming
up stay tuned throug the dull bit and it gets better', but
sometimes it can state a theme in a way you couldn't in the
narrative without having your editor blue-pencil it. My favourite
pre-title is Goldman's 'Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid'
- the bank, bolts, shutters, safes with huge combinations. Butch
asks 'What happened to the old bank? It was beautiful!' to which
the clerk replies 'People kept robbing it'. Butch says something
like 'Small price to pay for beauty' and that's it, you're
in, you have the whole theme right there. A well-written prologue
can surely do this too?
One day I'll even think of an example...
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| Fri, Feb 13 2009 06:55pm GMT 7 |

g_jds
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I generally avoid prologues when writing, but for the saga I've got
going I wrote one unconsciously; there're a number of people and
places that the main characters already know, and trying to
introduce them to the reader without introducing them to a
character is difficult. Difficult to do well, at least.
It's simple to introduce the reader to a world and its people when
one of your main characters is clueless. The character can be the
reader's buoy. Without a buoy, I think that the reader needs an
oxygen tank - maybe a prologue - 'cause without one they'll nearly
drown, they'll fight to get out and then they'll flee. Giving them
a scuba suit, flippers, goggles and speargun is always going to be
overkill. If you think all those things are required then the water
you're exploring is too deep. And while your reader isn't going to
drown, they're probably going to get the bends. Or get torn limb
from limb by a giant squid.
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| Wed, Feb 18 2009 07:36pm GMT 8 |

Tony
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I've added a prologue to my already sharp, action-packed (I
believe!) first chapter simply because my main characters wouldn't
otherwise appear until about page 5 or 6. It's fairly brief and
succinct. What do you think?
Prologue
Without the “masterstroke” Nick and
Colin might never have become embroiled in the
worst rioting the Ulster capital had seen for decades. There may
well not have been any. And the two lads would certainly never
have come to influence one of the city’s most notorious figures
in the path he chose to follow. A path that would brook no
return.
What started out as an eighteenth
birthday celebration might have ended as just that. But it
didn’t.
Chapter 1 then starts with:
It was a masterstroke!
To continue as the were was not an option... etc. etc. (don't
know why the font keeps changing.)
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| Sun, Mar 22 2009 11:21pm GMT 9 |

abbaFan
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whilst I cant comment on the rules and suitability of using
prologues, because im still hiding myself behind my big 'im new to
this' sign, I do think that prologues have a use. For me, reading
is simply escapism, and if a good story is a jet plane away frm my
daily worries, then a good prologue is the airport. It is the book
equivalent of somebody saying 'Now let me tell you a story... far
far away...'
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| Tue, Apr 28 2009 02:09am IST 10 |

Chanty
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For me, I feel that sometimes it's required to have a prologue. I
have in my first book - it's set in the past and is a bit of
history to the story that the readers need to know about and
perhaps a good introduction to the story. I have also considered an
epilogue as my story does not end in the first book, it continues
on into another book.
But each writer is different in their work.
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| Mon, Jun 22 2009 03:05pm IST 11 |

issur
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I love prologues! They are like the teaser trailer to a film. Would
you go to see a movie if you had no idea what it was about? That is
what a prologue does for me, it gives the reader a taste of your
style, a feel for your work and lets them know whether there's any
point in them reading further. It presents the author with the
chance to deliver mystery/excitement/tantalisation and then be able
to get on with telling the story from the beginning. It's all very
well to say 'make your opening stronger', but then you'd just have
to explain it all anyway, leaving your first chapter a jumping,
dithering mess. That last point rather depends on the genre you're
writing in though. Prologues - awesome!
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| Mon, Jun 22 2009 05:16pm IST 12 |

Barb
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I can see where you're coming from issur, but I would have thought
a lot of what you're describing would be covered by the blurb. To
me a prologue feels like I have to get into the story twice.
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| Mon, Jun 22 2009 06:52pm IST 13 |

issur
45 Posts
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I understand that, but the blurb gives only the gist of the story,
whereas a prologue showcases the author's style. I've lost count of
how many times I've purchased a novel based on it's rear cover,
only to realise that it was one of the most abysmal attempts at
scribbling that I'd ever had the misfortune to lose money over.
Prologue every time. Just keep it nice and short, so I can read it
in the shop! Haha!
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| Mon, Jun 22 2009 08:38pm IST 14 |

Tony
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Yeah, I agree with both Issur and Barb: blurb and prologue, two
quite different species. The blurb may well not even be written by
the author and is purely a hook to get the reader to buy. But the
prologue, if there needs to be one, is something else altogether.
It's not meant to give a sneak preview of what the book's about,
but it will certainly be written by the author and so give an
indication of the writer's style. It might be setting the scene, or
may be describing some earlier event that the reader needs to know
about to make sense of the rest of the story. Either way it needs
to as gripping, or intriguing, as the opening paras of the first
chapter, or the reader/agent/publisher will cast it aside.
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| Wed, Aug 5 2009 10:05am IST 15 |

EmmaD
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Editorial Anonymous puts it beautifully: 'The place for backstory
is not at the front of your story'. Also, if the reason for the
prologue isn't beautifully clear in the chapters you're submitting
to the agent, then leave it out of the submission:
http://editorialanonymous.blogspot.com/2009/07/back-to-front.html
Emna
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| Wed, Aug 5 2009 11:15am IST 16 |

Jak
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my knowledge is only tiny compared to your great minds yet i find
prologues intreging, if it adds something to the book, the
twilightseries (meyers) prologues i found very disapionting, they
were just snipets of sections she wrote later in the book, not
actually adding to the book at all.
i like the old style mystery to the prologue, something happening
that doesnt nessacery effect the chacters just the story, like Dan
Browns books, they all start with a murder. something which then
takes the book to find out why he was killed.
or in the good old teenage fiction i read ten years back, teh
proogues would be shady and share very littel until you read the
book and realised what had happened
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| Thu, Aug 6 2009 11:16pm IST 17 |

Valkia
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I'd never, ever use a prolugue to describe backstory. If i use one,
it's generally to set a mood or an idea, but mostly to hook a
reader. Almost all of my prologues feature some kind of action, and
generally introduce a central character in some form.
Prologues, in my mind, need to be quite short and very relevant.
You need to connect back to it somewhere, even if that happens much
later in the novel.
I cannot stand prologues that are pages upon pages long, and filled
to the brim with 'aren't i so clever?' waffle and needless
exposition. Don't bore your reader before they've even got to
chapter one!
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| Fri, Aug 7 2009 01:29am IST 18 |

Tony
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I'm inclined to agree with Valkia. My prologue is very short. It
introduces the main characters, who wouldn't otherwise appear for
four or five pages:
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Had it not been for a clandestine gathering of certain
individuals above a fairly ordinary-looking public house south of
the border, Nick and Colin might never have become
embroiled in the worst rioting the Ulster capital had seen for
decades. There may well not have been any riots. And the two lads
would never have come to influence one of the city’s most
notorious figures in the path he chose to follow. A path that
would brook no return.
What started out as an eighteenth birthday celebration
might have ended as just that. But it didn’t.
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| Fri, Aug 7 2009 06:14pm IST 19 |

EmmaD
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I think this kind of a prolepsis is a bit of a double-edged sword.
On the one hand, you're teasing us with hints of what happened
next, (what meeting? what riot?) and hopefully we'll read on to
find out more. On the other hand you've told us what happened next:
the only questions left are How? and perhaps Why? It's a good bit
harder to keep the tension going if you've actually told us the
outcome. Fundamentally, you're telling us something twice, which is
almost always a bad idea, whether at the sentence level, or in the
book as a whole.
If the sole purpose of it is to introduce some main characters,
that purpose might be better served by rejigging chapter one to
introduce one a bit earlier.
PS, Tony, if we know that they were involved in the riots, that
'may' should be 'might'.
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| Fri, Aug 7 2009 07:25pm IST 20 |

Tony
1979 Posts
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Thanks, Emma. I'll think hard about that. As you say, what meeting?
how did it bring about a riot? how did Nick and Colin become
involved? to what extent? who was the notorious figure? what path
did he choose? and how did the boys influence his choice? Lots of
questions and really only one 'tell' - that there were riots, which
just about evrybody associates with Ireland anyway. But, as i say,
i'll think more about it.
And thanks for spotting may/might. I'd used 'may' the second time
to avoid repeating 'might' without thinking that, strictly, it was
a different part of speech.
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| Fri, Aug 7 2009 10:58pm IST 21 |

Valkia
255 Posts
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My prologue dealt with a specific incident from the past of what
would become a central character. It's a bit violent, but i chose
it for a few reasons
1) it sets one of the initial themes for the story, as well as one
of the primary hero/villain relationships from the outset.
2) it introduces two main characters, who wouldn't otherwise appear
for a few chapters, and allows me to introduce them without having
to include as massive amount of backstory gumpth to explain why
they're significant people
3) it's bloody and vengeful and angry, which is basically my way of
saying 'this is how the story is going to be. If you like it, stick
around'.
I may post it sometime, find out if it has the effect i intended it
to have
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| Fri, Aug 7 2009 11:11pm IST 22 |

EmmaD
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Valkia, I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here as with Tony, but
most of what your prologue is doing sounds as if it could be done
in Chapter One. Only this:
"it introduces two main characters, who wouldn't otherwise appear
for a few chapters, "
is something that might work well in a prologue, if the novel as a
whole starts somewhere completely different. But there's no law
that says all the main characters have to be introduced on Page
One, in any case. If you think of MCs as the reader's
representatives in the story, then you really only need one, and no
more, to come in fairly soon after Page One.
Emma
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| Fri, Aug 7 2009 11:30pm IST 23 |

Valkia
255 Posts
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It's a good point well made, but introducing the characters isn't
my sole intention. It also provides a bit of flavour for a
character, who is quite deeply affected by the events in said
prologue. I felt that, as it happens a few years previous to the
main story, it would feel disjointed to have it as a first chapter,
then wander off with a new character several years later in the
second chapter.
Similarly, because it's an important event, i wanted to hand it to
the reader in such a way that they could see it for themselves,
rather than have to artificially hint and it and explain it during
the rest of the story.
Oooon the flip side, i'm also aware the story could live without
it. I'm really just using it as a hook, and if a reader were to
skip it, it wouldnt harm the story too much.
It's worth mentioning that it's only about a page or two in
length.
To sidetrack slightly, the idea of main characters for me is always
difficult. I do have what i'd consider to be a 'main' character in
this book, but i've also got two, maybe three other characters who
could so easily fit into the role. I'm a character-based writer,
and i love nothing more than to write something, then see three
different people pick three different favourite characters. It
pleases my poor undernourished ego no end.
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| Sat, Aug 8 2009 04:00pm IST 24 |

Miss Croft
198 Posts
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I think most prologues (not all) sometimes just take away some of
the sense of discovery that we as readers enjoy. I'd rather find
out things by reading the story than to be told some crucial bit of
information at the start. So, my own personal take on it is to
weave such things into the story and let the reader discover them.
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| Sun, Aug 9 2009 09:11pm IST 25 |

Valkia
255 Posts
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Hmm, i have become very tempted to post mine in the critiques
section, just to see if it is indeed a superfluous prologue...
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