| Mon, Mar 9 2009 02:47pm GMT 1 |

John Taylor
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A space to talk about how you are realizing your writing project,
and the problems along the way
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| Tue, Mar 10 2009 04:32pm GMT 2 |

John Taylor
916 Posts
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Here's a starter. Has anyone got an opinion on illustrations and
'found items' in a novel?
My two narrators began with an icon at each change of voice. But as
Rachel, who has a learning disability, loves drawing, and her
drawings reflect her mood and her varying sense of self, the icons
were rapidly replaced by many individual drawings, copied from
originals i have met all my working life ( such as a dog with a
smiley face AND a muzzle). Add in some cod-social services
assessment forms and Rebecca's attempts to emulate her sister's
freedom of expression... and the book is now quite crowded.
Now the question: the illustrations are definitely part of the
project, but i'm still not sure if they add to the novel, or become
a source of distraction.
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| Tue, Mar 10 2009 04:33pm GMT 3 |

John Taylor
916 Posts
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| Wed, Mar 11 2009 04:38pm GMT 4 |

Tony
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Depends what you're writing, John. If it's about disease and
poverty in a war-torn, third world country ruled by a tyrant and
exploited by heartless multi-nationals, I'd say, probably a
distraction.
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| Wed, Mar 11 2009 04:40pm GMT 5 |

Caducean Whisks
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Joan,
I think it's a blindingly good idea. Anything that enriches a
story, is fine my me, and your squirls have a definite character
all of their own. I've only just twigged that you must have done
our logos - very fine too.
I feel that anything too specific can be a distraction -
like a photo, for instance, in anything other than biog or
non-fiction, pins you down too much. As a reader, you can form
your own image quite early on, but then finding that the
character looks different is horrid - like going to see the film
of the book and the actors are nothing like the ones in your
head; painful. I couldn't bear the film of "Watership Down"
because it was very cartoony and my rabbits were real.
However, your illustrations don't appear to limit the
imagination, so go for it.
Another point about adding supporting material: In Mavis Cheek's
"The Sex Life of my Aunt", her chapter headings are all
appropriate 60s songs - Beatles, I think. This made me smile when
I worked out what they were, but this had no particular other
relevance. I asked her why she'd done it (I did a course with
her, years ago) and she shrugged and said it was a whim. I quite
like that it was a whimsy.
She has a lovely whacky style, btw - her hero is P.G. Wodehouse.
"Aunt Margaret's Lover" is my fave of hers; if you need a good
belly laugh to cheer you up, you could do worse.
Whisks
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| Wed, Mar 11 2009 04:43pm GMT 6 |

Harry
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John, I really like these. The WW is working on a project at the
moment that is a memoir about a woman's life in Soho in the 1940s
that's illustrated with some wonderful line drawings. To me, they
really add beauty & richness. I think your drawings do the
same (and unlike most others in this group , I have at least some
familiarity with your work.) I think they have a kind of
Thurberesque charm and fill out our understanding of Becca's
character and humanity.
One key commercial point: B/W pics are costless to reproduce, so
they don't fill publishers with dread the way colour illustations
do.
So, if it were me, I'd go for it. An agent/publisher might yet
say no, but for now, I'd steam ahead. My only real worry was your
suggestion that the MS was 'crowded'. Crowded = bad. Occasional
adornments = good.
But I like em.
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| Wed, Mar 11 2009 09:37pm GMT 7 |

John Taylor
916 Posts
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Depends what you're writing, John. If it's about disease and
poverty in a war-torn, third world country ruled by a tyrant
and exploited by heartless multi-nationals, I'd say, probably
a distraction.
No, Tony, it's largely about the difference between wisdom and
intelligence... But then if we all got that one sorted, maybe
there would be no disease and poverty etc.... In truth, it's a
book full of distractions, but the two narrators define
distractions in quite different ways.
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| Thu, Mar 12 2009 01:13pm GMT 8 |

Tony
2107 Posts
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Ah, if I was intelligent enough to know the difference I might have
been wise enough not to write a facetious reply! From the other
responses, it looks like you could be on to a winner.
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| Thu, Mar 12 2009 01:18pm GMT 9 |

EmmaD
1983 Posts
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Yes, I really like them too, and agree, from the little bit I
know of the novel too, that it really does add something.
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