| Thu, Mar 11 2010 08:13pm GMT 1 |

Jak
623 Posts
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I asked John today what three things make a book 'good'. For me I
want a story that captivates me, I want to be able to escape into
the book and ignore the word I live in. For that to happen the
characters must be believable and relatable.
What makes a book 'good' for you?
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| Thu, Mar 11 2010 08:27pm GMT 2 |

Nashelle
765 Posts
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I must care about characters. The book could have the best plot in
the world but if I don't care what happens to the characters I
won't read on. Also a book must have 'readable' prose with no
wasted words.
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| Thu, Mar 11 2010 10:31pm GMT 3 |

Khaloth
59 Posts
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A good book needs characters with believeable goals and actions,
not necessarily symphatetic or likeable but with distinct
personalities. Thight plotting or fluent language can not save a
book if it is devoid of memorable characters. There are some sci-fi
books i have enjoyed even if the characters has been slightly
bland, but these books usualy had some strong or original idea that
intrigued me.
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| Thu, Mar 11 2010 10:59pm GMT 4 |

John Taylor
916 Posts
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If I am reading in bed when I should be at a meeting, it's a good
book. Good books are addictive, and for me, that addiction is a
blend of caring for the characters, living into the situation and
wallowing in the language. Good books make me cry – and sometimes
that's because I know that I could never write like that!
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| Fri, Mar 12 2010 08:57am GMT 5 |

Spangles
749 Posts
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For me, a good novel has to completely engross me in its own world,
it needs believable characters that I have some sympathy with
(whether or not I like them) and it must be well written. Good
non-fiction, on the other hand, must explain its subject fully and
coherently, must captivate and hold my interest, and must set my
imagination racing.
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| Fri, Mar 12 2010 04:14pm GMT 6 |

Chinch
487 Posts
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I need a hook at the beginning and a fast pace. Additionally, like
other have said, the characters are extremely important. I must
either care very much what happens to them, or be very interested
in them to keep me reading. I am not a person who will finish a
book just because I started it. Unfortunately, just lately I have
given up on several books. The latest one I gave up in annoyance
after reading two thirds of the book as I realised I couldn't care
less what happened to the utterly boring 2D main character. And
that was a Dean Koontz book.
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| Fri, Mar 12 2010 06:28pm GMT 7 |

Weens
998 Posts
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Like everyone above, I need characters I care about in a
captivating story. I like the story to start right at the beginning
and not have to read through chapters of preamble before the story
'proper' begins.
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| Fri, Mar 12 2010 07:28pm GMT 8 |

Barb
574 Posts
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"The latest one I gave up in annoyance after reading two thirds
of the book as I realised I couldn't care less what happened to
the utterly boring 2D main character. And that was a Dean Koontz
book."
Was this "Relentless", by any
chance? I gave in after three chapters.
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| Tue, Mar 16 2010 05:46pm GMT 9 |

T.W Duke
140 Posts
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Do you think a completely loathsome character can carry a book as
well as one you really like and care about?
In other words, will you turn the pages just as quickly so see an
arsehole get what's coming to him as you will to see something good
happen to a nice person?
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| Wed, Mar 17 2010 02:44pm GMT 10 |

Chinch
487 Posts
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I was once given some really useful advice regarding MCs. It
is okay to have an unlikable MC so long as you make sure
that they are very, very interesting. It also helps if they have
some redeeming features, or if they change during the story so that
they reform. So, I think the answer is yes, an unlikable character
can carry a book, but not if he/she were completely loathsome.
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| Wed, Mar 17 2010 02:46pm GMT 11 |

Chinch
487 Posts
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"The latest one I gave up in annoyance after reading two thirds
of the book as I realised I couldn't care less what happened to
the utterly boring 2D main character. And that was a Dean
Koontz book."
Was this "Relentless", by any
chance? I gave in after three chapters.
Actually, it was Velocity. I know you really liked it, and so
did I at first, but it just died a death for me. The character
of Billy was so dull and 2D.
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| Thu, Apr 1 2010 02:43pm IST 12 |

SM Worsey
617 Posts
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Like pretty much everyone else, solid, believeable, strong
characters are the main draw for me. However I will put a book down
if it either has crap dialogue, or gaping plot
holes/inconsistancies.
I was partway through a story recently that I really enjoyed
because it was witty and imaginative with a fast pace, exciting
plot and great eccentric characters, when I had to stop reading in
disgust. The day after being beaten up very badly in a pub brawl
and having broken several ribs and an arm, the main character
hoovered, scrubbed and tidied his son's very messy flat and then
went dancing with a girl. This plot hole annoyed me so much (a
person with broken ribs can barely move for pain, let alone hoover
and dance!) that I could not bring myself to care any more.
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| Thu, Apr 1 2010 04:12pm IST 13 |

EmmaD
1983 Posts
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The MC needs to be compelling - which doesn't mean likeable. (I've
just been rivetted from start to finish by Zoe Heller's Notes on a
Scandal, where the MC/narrator is exactly that.) A world I can see
and smell and feel and believe in, however economically
evoked.
I have to say, though, that I can't these day be doing with any
book which doesn't have top-notch writing, whether it's a tautly,
cleanly written commercial thriller, or a sharp, funny rom com, or
something more literary where the prose - baroquely original or
crystalline clear - is a pleasure in itself, as well as
conveying a compelling story.
Emma
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| Thu, Apr 1 2010 09:45pm IST 14 |

Jak
623 Posts
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Emma - so you havent read the twilight series then :)
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| Thu, Apr 1 2010 10:53pm IST 15 |

EmmaD
1983 Posts
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Jak, having a teenager in the house, I FEEL as if I've read every
bloomin' word. But I never say that a book isn't good, if it keeps
several million teenagers reading. And if it keeps the book trade
afloat, as Meyer is doing: the market for books grew by 3% last
year. 2% of that was Meyer...
One of my tests of a good book is whether I get more out of it each
time I read it, but that implies that I didn't get everything first
go. Some readers hate that feeling, and that's fair enough, while
others love the sense of yet-unplumbed possibilities.
Emma
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| Fri, Apr 2 2010 02:26pm IST 16 |

Steve
706 Posts
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What makes a book good for me is p'raps a smidge different to other
readers.
In fiction or non-fiction, I want to learn something good that I
didn't know previously. In the case of fiction, I don't want to
read the same plot as done before elsewhere (just reworked a
slightly different way - so that rules out a great many
contemporary "novels"), and I don't want to read about the same old
character stereotypes, no matter how beautifully written they may
be.
The second thing that draws me in is excellent humour. If something
is making me laugh out loud, I will forgive it many other
things.
The third is, like for many others, an originality and a quality in
the style of writing itself.
For me, the masters of all three of these things are/were: Douglas
Adams, Robert Rankin, William Shakespeare and Bill Bryson to a
lesser degree. In terms of scriptwriting, it's Richard Curtis.
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