| Thu, Jul 22 2010 10:31pm IST 1 |

Jak
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People have asked about
style before, and more specifically how to develop your own
style.
I’ve just got off the
phone to my brother who was recommending a few books to read, and
when describing each one the thing that he described as being the
most different between the authors wasn’t the change in story or
an enthralling read, but the style of how it was written.
I don’t think he realised
what he was saying he was just breaking down the books to me to
see which appealed. So my question is - is your style just as
important as the story you are trying to tell?
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| Thu, Jul 22 2010 11:05pm IST 2 |

Aonghus Fallon
571 Posts
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I'd say yes, but only inasmuch as style expresses character - e.g.
in 'The Maltese Falcon' the style and the character are synonomous.
And the character is the story.
But if you're talking about a book with a very slender storyline
and uninteresting characters that tries to sell itself solely in
terms of a fluid, beautiful prose style, I'd say no. That said, I
can already think of a few exceptions, so it can be done.
Shite....
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| Fri, Jul 23 2010 09:07am IST 3 |

EmmaD
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'Style' is such a slippery term, and can mean the discussion ends
up talking about superficial things, or at least sounding as if it
is: 'stylish' writing is only one kind of good writing. I'd always
rather think in terms of 'voice'.
Voice is the combination of what the novel says, and how
it says it. At the most basic level of plot, there are very few, so
what we're really talking about is the individual clothes you put
on that plot, as it were, both in terms of character and action,
and in the words which evoke that character and action.
As you say, Aonghus, in something like Hamnett, the novel is a
perfect marriage of the two. (Actually, that's always what one's
aiming for.) A voice is what the book trade is looking for, and
they know it when they see it: the actual choice of words, the
shape and rhythm of sentences is both fresh to the eye and ear, and
fits with the character and the ideas, the world view, if you like,
which underpins the whole conception of the novel. To that extent,
you could argue, voice is about integrity and authenticity, which
is an over-posh way of saying that all these elements are working
together to the same end: then it seems all of a piece... (Which
doesn't mean that it wouldn't be possible to, say, write a tragedy
in breathless, OMG-sprinkled chick-litty tones, or a light comedy
sodden with the brand-names of guns and mean and moody back-stories
of abused childhoods. But it would be quite a trick to pull
off)
Underpinning any voice that you evolve to suit the novel will be
your own writerly DNA, and indeed you may not particularly try for
a voice which is different from your own. Or you may: my first
novel was written in the voices of a 30 year old male veteran of
Waterloo in 1819, and a 15 year old girl in 1976 - I have been a 15
year old girl, though not at that date, and her background was very
different from mine. So I was consciously trying to find voices
which were not mine, but I bet if you put them both into a
computer, it would find that the underlying nature of both was very
similar to how I write if I'm not consciously trying to change my
own 'native' writerly voice.
Which is a long-winded way of answering the question "is your style just as important as the
story you are trying to tell?" thus:
Yes.
Certainly from the agent's point of view it is: voice is THE thing
they're looking for. The book trade has absorbed the movie-business
idea of 'high concept', not least because plot is easier to sell
than a voice to executives: heaven forbid that they should actually
have to read something, to decide whether to gamble on it
or not... But there's no voice in a movie because there are no
narrative words. So, as so often, importing an interesting idea
from another medium has resulted in people losing sight of things
which are unique, and therefore utterly crucial, in our
medium
Voice rules, in other words.
Emma
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| Fri, Jul 23 2010 05:49pm IST 4 |

Gels
676 Posts
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Wow Emma, you are great! thats all I have to say.
Gels
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| Fri, Jul 23 2010 11:22pm IST 5 |

EmmaD
1801 Posts
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Aw, thanks Gels!
Emma
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| Sat, Jul 24 2010 09:44pm IST 6 |

Sailor Jerry
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Intriguing thread...in interviews, most agents echo Emma (voice
rules); but the reality, I think, is quite different. At the York
Festival of Writing, my one-to-one was with an agent who repeatedly
clarified that voice, for him, was THE most important part. He
hadn't read my work beforehand, so I sent it to him a month later.
The response:
'After reading your work twice, I still like the voice, and it's
that which first attracted me to your work. The rub is that this
will be a difficult sell to publishers. You could try getting the
press interested or some periodicals. Men's mags in particular
could find that your sassy, humorous approach fits the bill. It is
the strength of your writing voice which leads me to believe that
you could make a contribution to the field of column or magazine
journalism, especially if you could harness your voice across a
wide range of topics. Hopefully, one day we'll see your words in
print in one format or another. Good luck.'
Where, I thought, is the charming idealist who insisted voice was
the deciding factor in choosing whether to represent a writer? I've
found many agents are the same - 'The voice and writing are
critical,' they declare, furiously dismissing 'trashy celeb
memoirs' and 'atrociously-written, cliched, formulaic
blockbusters'...but then they reject my work whilst admitting the
writing/voice is excellent. I know they need to profit and, of
course, I can't criticise that...I just wish they wouldn't lie by
pretending their priority isn't money but discovering a 'vibrant
new voice to share with the world'.
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| Wed, Jul 28 2010 09:29am IST 7 |

Babblefish
846 Posts
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Sailor Jerry- isn't the simplest explanation for this that both
Voice and Saleable plot (not necessary good plot) are absolutely
essential.
Perhaps what they mean is that a writer with a good voice can
always write a new story if there previous one didn't work out,
but a writer with a poor voice but an excellent story will have a
much harder job (re-voicing yourself being a lot harder than
simply coming up with a knew set of characters and situation).
I dunno, just trying to find a useful interpretation of what your
saying. That said I've never dealt with agents so far, so I
wouldn't really know.
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| Wed, Jul 28 2010 09:53am IST 8 |

EmmaD
1801 Posts
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"isn't the simplest explanation for this that both Voice and
Saleable plot (not necessary good plot) are absolutely
essential."
Yes, exactly, and I'd also add compeling and therefore saleable
characters. Saying that voice is essential doesn't mean that plot,
characters, dialogue, ideas, narrative drive or anything else can
be less than top-notch. It's just that if most of those are
cracking but - say - there are holes in the plot - it's fixable IF
the agent/editor reckons the end result will be worth the time. But
voice isn't, as it were, fixable, at least not by them. It's the
thing which grabs the reader before they have anything invested in
the slower burn of plot, character and ideas, and which will keep
the potential buyer reading in the bookshop long enough for them to
get embarrassed and buy the thing. But it's unteachable, at least
as their working lives are structured: either you've got it, or you
haven't.
"Perhaps what they mean is that a writer with a good voice can
always write a new story if there previous one didn't work out,
but a writer with a poor voice but an excellent story will have a
much harder job (re-voicing yourself being a lot harder than
simply coming up with a knew set of characters and
situation)."
Babblefish, you've nailed it. The point is that because voice is
the thing that's almost impossible to teach (which doesn't stop
me trying to), it's impossible to bring out in a book which
doesn't really have one (sags in the voice, where it slips or
fades out, are usually fixable), or in a writer who hasn't (yet)
found theirs. Agents in particular are looking for a long-term
prospect, so the thing that's most crucial is the thing they
won't be able to do much about.
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