| Thu, Aug 12 2010 04:19pm IST 1 |

EmmaD
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Crossing the road, a lorry knocked him down.
I've never forgotten the trap of this one, after a
teacher made us all learn: "Bubbling briskly, the witch stirred the
toad's legs into the cauldron."
But your example, Caf, is why the 'rule' peddlers are usually wrong
- because how language works can't be reduced to a couple of rules
of thumb...
Emma
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| Thu, Aug 12 2010 04:31pm IST 2 |

Steve
705 Posts
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By the way, Emma, I'm sure you weren't wondering, but it definitely
wasn't you who gave any bad advice. Nearly a thousand posts on
here, and I haven't seen a dodgy one yet.
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| Thu, Aug 12 2010 05:17pm IST 3 |

EmmaD
1801 Posts
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Awww, thanks Steve! Though apparently, if you believe Amazon
reviews, I've written a dodgy second novel ;)
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| Thu, Aug 12 2010 06:00pm IST 4 |

Steve
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Amazon reviews are often not worth the... er... electronics they're
printed on. I've heard that authors & publishers create fake
personalities to write positive ones of their own, and then bad
ones for any competition. Not sure where I read that... it might've
been an Amazon review. Of sorts.
Any positive ones from real critics?
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| Thu, Aug 12 2010 06:49pm IST 5 |

Tony
1984 Posts
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| Thu, Aug 12 2010 07:49pm IST 6 |

EmmaD
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Tony - yes, and Nicola's blog is well worth keeping an eye on. She
knows whereof she speaks, even if her current piece is a rather
gloomy one.
"Any positive ones from real critics?"
As in reviews of my work? Yes - they're on my website (not my blog)
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| Thu, Aug 12 2010 07:53pm IST 7 |

Steve
705 Posts
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Tony - thank you for the pointer to Nicola's page. Surprised you
didn't embed that link as a testeroonie.
There you go... Emma shows us how that's done.
Thanks for the link to your website, Emma.
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| Thu, Aug 12 2010 11:44pm IST 8 |

Tony
1984 Posts
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Ah, I surely would have done, Steve, but I posted here before I
read your cool hyperlinking blog.
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| Thu, Aug 12 2010 11:48pm IST 9 |

Steve
705 Posts
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I never was good at... er... timing.
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| Fri, Aug 13 2010 07:04am IST 10 |

Caf
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Hi Steve, when I first put my oar in, I didn't know you were
writing from the "pleasing the publisher's" point of view.
Obviously, everything they say is correct and beyond criticism.
Poor peasant's like me, have no idea which rules are English
Grammatical Rules, which are "Publisher's Rules" and which are just
fashionable Rules, that seemed like a good idea at the time. Thank
God I'm not trying to write an intellectual literary work, imagine
what a bugger up that would be! I did understand Emma's "bubbling
witch" example, so thanks for that, and I do like Carf, it has a
certain ring to it.
O.K. now you guys are getting all first world on me again with this
hyperlink stuff. I'm lost -again.
Carf!
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| Fri, Aug 13 2010 12:31pm IST 11 |

Steve
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I had a writing philosophy from the very beginning. My first book
(non-fiction) was written from the heart, with complete honesty and
exactly the way I wanted it to be. I will always have that for me,
close friends and people I want to share it with - no one can take
that away. Then I set about getting it properly published. I
recognised that any agent or publisher would bugger about with it
(at least to a certain degree) to get it however they wanted.
There's no such thing as a 100% true non-fiction book - all you
need to hear is the industry mantra to realise that: dramatise,
dramatise, dramatise. Not only have I updated versions designed to
appeal to publishers, but I decided to allow changes to it in any
way that got it published. Even if they crucify its heart along the
way, my perspective is two-fold:
1. I've always got the original version that will remain
untouched.
2. Once I'm published (successfully enough), that brings a little
credibility and opens up the door to being allowed to write more
how (and what) I want to. Then I can bring some proper, truly
important writing to the world that I will not allow any buggering
about with.
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| Sun, Aug 29 2010 08:33am IST 12 |

Kim
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Out of the mouths of babes and Clouders Steve. I agree with the
last sentiment wholeheartedly.
Trouble can also arise when you employ more than one editor
during the course of a project and they disagree on a way
forward. One suggests that you should ditch an idea because it
simply doesn't work, so you do, only to have the next suggest
that you should include it.
Generally, if ever you have the slightest doubts about something
within your writing not seeming right, it normally transpires
that your thoughts were justified and vice versa.
Let your flow go with it Steve. Trust your instincts.
FREEDOM!
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| Sun, Aug 29 2010 08:42am IST 13 |

Kim
207 Posts
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Hang on. Where did the other page go? I think that I may have
commented on a previous page entry...Yep, there we go, entry No. 25
but this has come up as entry No. 12?
Story of my life; always one page behind.
That'll teach me to post when I'm sober.
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| Wed, Sep 1 2010 12:12am IST 14 |

Steve
705 Posts
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Kim, my instincts told me you would urge me to trust my instincts.
Smasing to hear from you, too.
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