Creating a story backdrop - what are the rules?
| Sat, Aug 21 2010 08:35pm IST 1 | ||
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Green polka 50 Posts |
I posted this on 'My first
novel' but this forum might be better able to offer advise. I would appreciate any advice. XXX |
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| Sat, Aug 21 2010 11:17pm IST 2 | ||
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karen 35 Posts |
I have no idea about 'the rules' but I have read plenty of books
with hypothetical towns and villages but still within the UK. I
can't see why you can't do the same in South Africa.
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| Sun, Aug 22 2010 02:05am IST 3 | ||
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Leper 21 Posts |
Maybe do it like Hardy; create names sort of based on the original names but altered so as to... er... well I suppose a) to free you from the necessity of absolute accuracy and b) to avoid whatever 'political' associations the real places have So if I understand you correctly, if you mention certain place names in your novel, then your readers will think you have a political point to make and will thus misinterpret your story? That's weird. What political point would I be making if I set my story in Johannesburg? Anyway, check it out: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yROgVUGnRfA/TESUmaRLO5I/AAAAAAAAAcs/-cdmcNAE8gM/s1600/Thomas+Hardy%27s+Wessex.jpg |
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| Sun, Aug 22 2010 06:26am IST 4 | ||
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stephenterry 1702 Posts |
I agree it can be a dilemma. Apart from Joburg, Cape town and
Pretoria - most (but not all of your international readers)
wouldn't be any wiser whatever city/town you used.
If you're marketing to a SA public, the emphasis changes - would your story be believable if you use fictional places? Is it critical? Would you feel comfortable using fictional names? I am facing exactly the same challenge. Do I know enough about where I'm basing my story to sound credible? Research can help. A little fact interjected like nuggets into a fictional piece, can work. But all is not lost - hopefully your publisher will advise - it's only a cut&paste jobbo. stephen |
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| Sun, Aug 22 2010 10:38am IST 5 | ||
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Green polka 50 Posts |
Johannesburg is not a contentious city, but it is one of very few
first world multicultural cities, pertaining only to Durban and
Cape Town, Pretoria even has its own pile of contentious
associations (don't want to get into that now). My novel revolves
small towns in Limpopo Province, a notoriously conservative
Afrikaans province (racist generally) vs the quaint English
villages in Natal, mostly 1820 Settler descendants, hot potato,
private school, poncy type stuff. |
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| Fri, Sep 10 2010 06:41pm IST 6 | ||
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Caf 12 Posts |
Hey Green Polka, sorry for my neurotic message earlier, thought you
wanted some serious critique of your writing, which I am not
qualified to do. This is much easier. I understand your point
completely, I also dislike most South African writing, our whole
anquished history thing is a pain in the arse, but South Africa as
a setting for novels should be sensational! I also dislike having
African "things" shoved down my throat, all the African and
Afrikaans words for stuff, I don't know why but I don't like
it.
For what it's worth, I was/am writing a novel based in Natal Midlands, from Valley of a Thousand Hills down to the Umkomaas Valley, I have a map of the area, so I know exactly where I am and I have used some real names such as Hillcrest (which feels really weird), but the main action takes place in a fictitious Game Reserve on a fictious dam (based on Shongweni Dam). I feel comfortable with that. I would base the novel in Limpopo, but in a fictitious village, or on a fictitious fam. I would love to read a story in a South African setting without all the political stuff. Oh, and if I was living in a small Limpopo village I would definately use a Ghost Name, but then maybe I'm just a coward. If I ever get published it certainly will not be in my real name, I don't think I could cope with that!! Maybe, now is the time for South Africans to write novels just set in SA without all the complicated stuff. Have you read any of Marion's blogs? You're not always aware that you're reading SA stuff. Regarding getting published, I read an interesting book "Get Your Book Published in 30 (Relatively) Easy Steps", by Basil van Rooyen, he basically recommends that you do not try and get published in this country. I think the average good seller is about 3 000 copies. "Spud" being an exception. He says that SA Publishers are not really looking for best sellers, because books flow into this country, not the other way around, the costs are too prohibitive. So then I got the Writers' and Artists' Yearbook, which lists English publishers and agents, and seems to be definately the better way to go. I now try and write with English publishers and agents in mind, not SA's, and definately not American, I don't think they would even know where SA is let alone Limpopo. Oh, and one last thought, as an ex-English person I think Limpopo is a lovely name, far more romantic and mysterious than Northern Province, or whatever it used to be. Ithink you could definately make use of the name to add interest and mystique to your novel. I hope I've helped a bit, and as Steve says, in the end it is only a cut and paste matter!! And if I can help you with any info (both books came from Exclusive), would be glad to. Good luck, and well done for getting so far with your novel. Cafxx |
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| Sat, Sep 11 2010 09:45am IST 7 | ||
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Green polka 50 Posts |
Thanks Caf, that's great. |
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| Sat, Sep 11 2010 11:26am IST 8 | ||
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EmmaD 1801 Posts |
The usual feeling among writers and readers, it seems to me, is
that if you mention a real place, you have to be reasonably
faithful to the basics of what's there, so as not to break the deal
with the reader: they will 'forget to disbelieve' that this is
fiction, provided that you will deal 'honestly and responsibly'
with them, as john Gardener puts it.
So you don't want to trip them up by putting Johannesburg ten minutes away from Cape Town when everyone knows it isn't, but in the gaps between the important things, you're much freer. There's a totally tacit ethical system going on (and a PhD topic for someone) about what it's fine to invent, but I reckon it goes something like this (assuming you're not writing counter-factual or fantasy fiction) You can't just move Manchester and London to be next to each other, and the journey time needs to be roughly what it really would be, say. You can't make a known district of Manchester be radically different from how it is, but you can invent a street, or a shop, or even endow it with a cinema it doesn't really have, or a posh suburb say, provided you make that cinema or posh suburb reasonably convincing as something that might be there. If history deals with the probable, fiction deals in the possible: 'as if it happened,' You can invent a district of Manchester, and be a bit freer with what it's like, within the bounds of likelyhihood for geography, society, period etc. You can invent a village - I usually pick a real village on a map, to make it simple to get the roads and connections right, and then just put my village (which is perhaps based on a different real village from somewhere else) there instead, mentally speaking. And of course you'll base all these invented things on ones you know, because that's how fiction works. If you want to play fast and loose with a real town or city, call it something else: David Lodge's campus fiction is all set in Birmingham, which he calls Rummidge but barely changes a thing else - maybe more relevant to a comic novel where a lot of the fun is in spotting the correspondences. E H Young's novels are all set in a pretty recognisable Bristol, including Clifton, which she calls Radstowe (Bristowe being the old form of 'Bristol'). then, too, you can be freer with tiresome things like journey times and weather. But I would say, we aren't journalists: while you'll be working out your own ethics about what you can and can't invent, it's important keep the splinter of ice in your heart, and do what your story needs, not get too bogged down in 'yes but they can't go courting in the cinema because there wasn't one'... (Having said that, sometimes having to work round inconvenient facts you don't feel you can gaily trample on is how one comes up with much more exciting stuff. Necessity is the mother of imagination..) |
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| Fri, Sep 17 2010 09:33pm IST 9 | ||
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Green polka 50 Posts |
Sorry, I didn't see your comment till now - thanks.
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