11. Vissi D'Arte
| Wed, Sep 1 2010 01:21am IST 1 | ||
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MarkR 132 Posts |
This is Chapter 11 (C2000 words) of a fictional novel (my first) -
offered for critique if there are any takers.
Context: The central character is Steve, his partner is Bobby (f) and the story to date is their meeting and transition from platonic coffee-mates to lovers. Steve is heavily influenced by music - too much so perhaps. It provides the soundtrack through which he wins Bobby's heart and it will be instrumental in their subsequent break-up. In Chapter 11, it is Vissi D'Arte that best describes an unexpected trauma...
In terms of feedback - all
honest views are welcome (even if you hate it, telling me why
would be a great service).
Wake early, set alarm, book alarm
call.
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| Wed, Sep 1 2010 01:55am IST 2 | ||
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Babblefish 846 Posts |
Ummm... without context it is a little hard to judge. There were a
few moments where I felt that the emotion was somewhat
overdramatized:
"The gaping wounds to my state of being I did not realise one could endure, or survive" And other moments that I felt were spot on: There is no good time...taking the piss. So my reaction is mixed. The complete lack of dialouge is tricky. I've heard it said that 1/3 dialouge, 1/3 action, 1/3 introspection is a reasonable mix for a piece of writing, but that will change based on genre and scene. There were bits that felt too humourous, and bits that felt too melodramtic, but overall the scene works well, although having to lost a parent, I can't say I'm fully qualified to give feedback. I guess the main question you have to ask yourself is what is the point of this scene? What are you trying to achieve? Is the puppy needed? Is the breakfast conversation needed? would something else achieve this better? Your description feels realistic, and I did read to the end... but only just. That said, the pacing depends on your genre, I like things fast paced. Your story sounds like it is slower paced, so possibly this is not a problem. I dunno. Nice story, well written, but I can't say I felt a particularly strong connection to it. |
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| Wed, Sep 1 2010 06:35am IST 3 | ||
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stephenterry 1697 Posts |
Hi Mark - mostly same feelings as BF.
One thing that sounded unreal given the eventuality of Steve's concern/worry for his Dad - although that took a long time coming through - because I wouldn't be eating a full English Breakfast in my state of mind. Wouldn't be hungry. Might chase a piece of toast around and slug back a cuppa - but's that's it. Small query 'harem cushions' - I couldn't see the connection re thoughts scattered and unbalancing? One other thing relating to Steve's job. I think three redundancy visits in one day is impractical, given that there would be a huge number of questions at each site. And I'm not sure whether it gels with his emotional response. Is he a hatchet man - a messenger - or a counselling HR person? Oh yes, sorry. I did read to the end. I did like the humour - be careful that it's in sync with your character's emotional behaviour. I wasn't too fussed with lack of dialogue. Interesting piece - I know nothing about music -sorry stephen |
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| Wed, Sep 1 2010 11:13pm IST 4 | ||
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MarkR 132 Posts |
Thanks you both for reading this - it's much appreciated. You
made some really good observations (some are sins I know about,
others offer new perspective and that's great) |
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| Thu, Sep 2 2010 06:24am IST 5 | ||
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Babblefish 846 Posts |
Must you lose the pup? Hell no!
If you feel the pup is important, then keep it in.
This feels slow to
me compared to the kind of thing I normally read/write.
BUT... this is your story. You have to choose the pace for it,
and as long as you are aware of said pace, and feel
that that is what you are aiming for, then you might not feel the
need to take anything out at all.
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| Thu, Sep 2 2010 09:34pm IST 6 | ||
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Gerilyn 373 Posts |
Hi Mark, I had the same queries regarding the 'harem cushions'
unless he's been to a harm in earlier chapters there's no
connection. Also i think you could lose the restaurant altogether-
maybe switch it to trying to check out of the hotel. I also think
that he should have more lager than just 3 pints! Come on- I could
drink 3 pints and be able to function properly.
But, I liked the start and the finish, it's the little bit in the middle that could do with attention. A small suggestion:- show the dialogue with the slow girl trying to check him out. He's polite to her when he speaks, but the show his inner dialogue- what he says to her in his head about her being up all night shagging and getting a rocket up the ass of- the porter or whatever.... |
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| Sat, Sep 4 2010 10:08am IST 7 | ||
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MarkR 132 Posts |
Hi Geri, thanks for reading this and your comments - they're really
helpful.
I detect a theme on the cushion front - I shall listen to that. Steve is based in Bath - I can confirm there are no harems locally! I'll have a think about the breakfast bit too, thanks. As for 3 pints - it's just to stop him driving home that night. Show more, tell less...I might have heard that before about my writing. I'll listen to that too - honest! Thanks again, Mark |
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| Sat, Sep 4 2010 11:45am IST 8 | ||
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Mcallan 817 Posts |
Hi Mark. No, don't lose the puppy. This scene works really well. We
have all been in motorway service stations and people watched. And
your choice of music was spot on. I have a copy of Tosca, but not
the Callas recording. I could hear the crescendo and see his
tears....really well written.
This is my kind of writing Mark....a good slowish pace, gives the reader time to think. I think your harem cushions worked perfectly. I knew just what you meant; silky, slippery buggers that won't stay in a pile. I would not change that at all. It doesn't matter if there is no harem!..we have all seen them on tv etc and the image worked fine. I would try to introduce a smidgen of dialogue in the hotel just to break things up, and you could maybe tone down his emotions a tad...but not having read any earlier bits we don't really know his character. It had me thinking though...my imagination seeing your scenes, and seeing his sick dad too. It was all there. Just a little tweaking, but I would not alter a great deal. Cheers Mac |
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| Sat, Sep 4 2010 01:36pm IST 9 | ||
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MarkR 132 Posts |
Hey Mac,
thanks for reading this and the feedback. I reflect on all the comments and it takes a bit of time to work out which ones to act on, but funnily enough I was just making the breakfast order a conversation in response to previous comments, echoing yours and to show a bit more. Thanks a huge amount for connecting with the music too - it's a theme throughout the novel but I know it's not for all. My aim is to marry the writing and some music at key points - the idea is that the effect of the narrative is amplified by the music/lyrics. You write AND you're a musician so as target audiences go, you might be a good fit. Steve (my leading man) is very influenced by music and although he doesn't show it, he's pretty emotional too so the combination leads to some romantic, sad and self-destructive extremes. More extreme than this extract. In my experience so far, blokes don't like Steve greatly. He and the puppy will survive though. Thanks again - this is very encouraging for me. I'm off on an emotional, possibly tear-stained, journey myself now: Bath City v Barrow kicks off at 3pm. Cheers, Mark |
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| Sat, Sep 4 2010 01:49pm IST 10 | ||
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Mcallan 817 Posts |
Good grief take tissues!
Mac |
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| Sat, Sep 4 2010 03:17pm IST 11 | ||
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norman normington 91 Posts |
Isn't Bath a bit posh for football?
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| Sat, Sep 4 2010 07:57pm IST 12 | ||
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MarkR 132 Posts |
Re footy in Bath: Ours is a broad church. All are welcome even
those who have a sinner's history of mucky fields and odd shaped
balls. Confessions aren't heard, but there is a collection as you
come through the door. I look forward to seeing Norman join the
congregation for a rousing hymn or two. I'd love to tell you that
games are held in The Jane Austen stadium and the kit is long
dresses and linen bonnets. But that would be a fictionalised
version of the truth on the other side of a blatant lie. Chin
wobbled today, but tissues not required: 1 - 1.
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| Sat, Sep 4 2010 08:19pm IST 13 | ||
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fibrochimp 35 Posts |
I would say it sounds too real... if that makes sense. It sounds,
especially the conversation while waiting for breakfast, as though
it is something that's actually happened but hasn't been put into
prose but just written as is. I do like the conversation but it
doesn't sync with the fear he's feeling.
I started this thinking I wouldn't get to the end but then got caught up in it and carried on. Personally I liked the puppy, when we are in weird situations like this we do tend to observe stuff without actually realising and it gives a sort of 'new life' when an 'old life' is passing feel to it. Perhaps, to break up the lack of dialogue you could add in a couple of rememberances of things said between Steve and his dad... a 'I remember dad saying 'x' the last time we went to the pub together or something like that. |
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| Sat, Sep 4 2010 09:33pm IST 14 | ||
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JtF 166 Posts |
The magic of Tosca - havent read all the above crits. I believe
it's just a question of editing hard and making every word earn its
place on the page. As to the lack of dialogue - isn't it an
internal dialogue (which you're entitled to make as whacky as you
want) and maybe throw in the the processes of grief (anger, denial,
bargaining etc) to add some jumpcuts.
The dog for me is a hook to hang the emotive stillness/sadness of the aria upon and a waggy reminder that in the face of everything else life goes on (although not like the deliberate jump run out groove cut {by hand} by Tony Bridge for the The Ruts - In a rut) |
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| Sun, Sep 5 2010 09:00am IST 15 | ||
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mike 631 Posts |
it seems to me, that the thread holding your story together is
hearing a song sung by Maria Callas but I have no idea, reading
your piece, which song this is and what particular relevance the
song has to Steve's mind and his father's approaching death,. I
have two CD's of Callas singing Tosca and they are among my
favourite recordings and i can well understand someone relating her
singing to sadness and approacihng death.
The moments of normality intruding on Steve's introspection are a
good idea too and there does seem to be a structure to your
writing.
If you don't pursue this idea with a novel, the idea, in itself,
might work as a short story.
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| Sun, Sep 5 2010 09:01am IST 16 | ||
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mike 631 Posts |
it seems to me, that the thread holding your story together is
hearing a song sung by Maria Callas but I have no idea, reading
your piece, which song this is and what particular relevance the
song has to Steve's mind and his father's approaching death,. I
have two CD's of Callas singing Puciini and they are among my
favourite recordings and i can well understand someone relating her
singing to sadness and approacihng death.
The moments of normality intruding on Steve's introspection are a
good idea too and there does seem to be a structure to your
writing.
If you don't pursue this idea with a novel, the idea, in itself,
might work as a short story.
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| Sun, Sep 5 2010 04:19pm IST 17 | ||
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MarkR 132 Posts |
Thanks all for reading and commenting - all gratefully
received. |
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| Sun, Sep 5 2010 04:36pm IST 18 | ||
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MarkR 132 Posts |
Mike - many thanks for reading and your observations.
The music is the title of the chapter Vissi D'arte. The lyrics are about love rather than death, but Callas' voice is both beautiful and absorbing. The idea is that the chapter stands alone as a piece of writing, first and foremost. If the reader happens to hear the music, maybe it will illustrate/amplify/resonate with Steve's fear. I know it won't be for everyone, but I believe it will for some. My relationship with the piece stems from hearing it the night I got the call to say my dad was taken into hospital - it became synonymous with that night and the events that followed. I am inspired by other pieces of music too - lots of happy stuff as well. Some of this will find itself into a short stories, but for the monent, this is a small piece of a c90,000 word novel. Many thanks, Mark |
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