| Fri, Dec 30 2011 10:01am GMT 1 |

Eli d’Elbée
167 Posts
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Hi,
Just wondering what people's thoughts are on handling of
sensitive subjects. No not violence or vulgarity. I have a story
about a baptist pastor and the question of free will (wife has a
brain tumour removed and suddenly doesn't love him no more, so
she leaves; story of Joeb sort of thing as the pastor questions
his faith). A friend has read the first mess and suggested I
stop. "It's the kind of thing some people will react badly to" he
said. He's not a sensitive fellow, so I was a little surprised by
the reaction, and it has left me wondering if there are limits to
what one can/should write about. I'm not sure what to do.
Any thoughts?
Eli
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| Fri, Dec 30 2011 10:22am GMT 2 |

Tenacityflux
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Why did he think people would react badly to this story? I don't
think that you can write what's in your heart and always expect
everyone to like or not be offended by it. Your story sounds
interesting, I always feel that if faith can't stand up to a
struggle or two then it's not much good is it? If someone can live
through the Holocaust and still believe in God, I would suggest
that your book should be no problem!
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| Fri, Dec 30 2011 11:56am GMT 3 |

EmmaD
1997 Posts
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I think if you write honestly, not trying to propagandise
or push a particular agenda but trying to explore important ideas
of faith and free will with sensitivity, then anyone who reacts
badly is just having a knee-jerk reaction to a story which doesn't
reinforce their particular world view. And there's no reason to
pander to them.
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| Fri, Dec 30 2011 12:29pm GMT 4 |

Eli d’Elbée
167 Posts
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Thanks for your thoughts ladies,
The twist in the tale is that the wife calls the pastor 12 months
after their separation and says "I think I made a mistake". They
get back together, but then she starts having head aches again.
My friend suggested changing the pastor Joe character to just
average Joe on the street, but I thought the story would lose
some of it's philosophical edge and I'd like to keep him. And
that's where it gets sensitive (and I wonder what it says about
me). By questioning 'love', I'm indirectly questioning 'faith' -
in this case religious. It's difficult to say that there's never
an agenda. We are all coming to everything from particular
angles. I want to explore the nature of love and indirectly
faith, which for me are ultimately conditions of the mind/brain.
I can include all the biblical text I want and take the pastors
POV till doomsday, but the backbone of the story is "wifie only
loves you when she has the tumour (which is probably killing
her)", which raises the issue of free will and faith.
Is this getting too complicated for the holiday/festive session?
Apologies,
Eli
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| Fri, Dec 30 2011 12:57pm GMT 5 |

EmmaD
1997 Posts
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"By questioning 'love', I'm indirectly questioning 'faith' - in
this case religious."
All the truly religious people I know question their faith every
day of their lives - how it relates to the world, what it says
about what they do, etc. etc. A faith that can't absorb questioning
and still go on having meaning for someone is a pretty thin thing,
and not worth you worrying about.
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| Fri, Dec 30 2011 03:52pm GMT 6 |

Tenacityflux
1266 Posts
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I don't quite see what the problem is here at all. I don't think
you are questioning faith a all, your character is when life throws
him a curve ball, but that doesn't me that the book is offensive,
it's a jounrey. By shoing that human love can be inconistant and
self serving, which frankly when faced by death is quite
understandable - are you not showing that divine love is immortal
and therefore superior? There are loads of cases when people change
after medical disasters, and people who are knitted together by
adversity who find they have nothing in common when the dust
settels, so personaly I can't understand what the problem is with
this idea. The wife only loves him while she has a tumour - makes
perfect sense to me and I can see both ehr side and his - she feels
she has been given a new lease of life and suddenly wants to break
out and go wild, he feels cheated as she's been 'saved' but rejects
him which causes him to question his faith and the role of carer
he's been given (Which can be enjoyable, nothing like a bit of self
sacrifice) I simple have no idea what your friend was worried
about. I just don't see that by questioning love you question
faith, sorry!
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| Fri, Dec 30 2011 05:15pm GMT 7 |

Tony
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There's not been much said about the 'free will' side of the story.
I get the impression that it will be showing that while we think we
fall in love freely, it is actually very much to do with the makeup
of our brains and if that changes our feelings of love may change,
too - automatically, no free will about it. This could be quite a
challenge to the accepted way of thinking. But nothing wrong with
that. Challenge away.
As to the faith aspect, that could be handled in so many different
ways. Your MC is a pastor. That suggests he is probably a Baptist
or a Pentacostalist; other mainstream denominations have different
names for their leaders. You need to research well to 'know' your
MC. (I've assumed he is of the Christian faith, but similar
questions would apply for other religions.) For example, is he a
born-again Christian? Not every church leader is; a few wouldn't
even claim to be. Of course, he should be, but is he? If
he claims to be a Christian, even thinks he really is, has he
actually had a conversion experience when he received the Lord
Jesus into his life, or has he just come to a mental decision that
he believes what the church teaches and thinks that's all there is
to it? If he is a true, born-again Christian does he struggle with
the usual temptations? Is he filled with the Holy Spirit? Does he
regularly know God's guidance in his life? And so on, and so
on.
You don't need to tell the reader the answer to all these
questions, but you should know them, because they will affect how
he reacts to what life throws at him. It doesn't matter if you
decide your MC is going to lose his struggle and his faith - it
happens. But the intellectual 'Christian' reaction to that is
likely to be quite different to that of the spiritual Christian. So
you need to know your man in order to write convincingly.
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| Fri, Dec 30 2011 09:06pm GMT 8 |

BobAird
92 Posts
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Hi Eli,
Writing is something very personal to the author and there is no
reason you cannot write what you want. We have fought many
millenia to enjoy the freedom we have today. You should, however,
be prepared for people to be offended, to criticise, or to tell
you to stop. But my advice to them would be 'Don't read anymore
of it; it's clearly not for you.'
Saying that, I would only write on subjects I know about. It's
why I write Sci-Fi: I know a bit about science and a lot about
making stuff up :-). Being an atheist, I wouldn't be afraid to
tackle religion (or any topic I'm unfamiliar with), but to do it
respectfully, I would read up on it first. And if I still
offended then at least I hadn't been reckless.
The idea for your story sounds emotionally powerful. People want
that in a story.
Write it, and write on
Bob
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| Mon, Jan 23 2012 02:04pm GMT 9 |

Alanboy
434 Posts
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I can't go with self-censorship. If it needs to be written, then
write it.
Having said that, I read 'The 120 days of Sodom' recently, and I
thought it was a pretty worthless piece of self-indulgence, but
should it have been written? Yes. I would not deny anyone the
freedom to express themselves. It just wasn't to my taste, and I
had the choice not to read it.
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