| Sat, Jan 7 2012 11:05pm GMT 1 |

Eli d’Elbée
167 Posts
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Hi,
I know there are lots of stories out in the world of literature
where there aren't any antagonists or bad guys (eg. Lewis's
"The Great Divorce), but writing without this easy means of
conflict is hard. The obvious answer is inner conflict. But I
currently have the added issue of 1st person POV telling a past
tense story about another character, therefore the narrator is
limited in terms of insight to the inner conflict of the other
character. This is gettting complicated - I'll keep it easy for
now: any thoughts on different strategies to generate conflict
in the absence of an antagonist?
Any thoughts will be appreciated,
Eli
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| Sun, Jan 8 2012 12:45pm GMT 2 |

Tony
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Well, circumstances can be a doughty antagonist. Thomas Hardy was a
master at exploiting that. In my wip the MC is fighting to break
free from the restrictions of a poor backgrouond. So although he
comes up against other 'antagonist' situations, including an old
enemy from school, the bully, and a couple of con-men that try to
cheat him, most of his battling is not against people, but
circumstance - mishaps along the way that provide adventure and
excitement. He has a best friend and love rival, too; both of them
fancying the same girl. So that's another source of conflict.
Any ideas there that you could use?
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| Sun, Jan 8 2012 01:49pm GMT 3 |

Caducean Whisks
1236 Posts
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It's very hard to show inner conflict in a compelling way, isn't
it? It's too tempting to end up 'telling' it all - 'I felt awful',
'I was jealous', 'I was restless'. The audience will be snoring in
no time.
And when you have one singlular person observing the trials and
tribulations of another singular person, it's even harder.
None of those examples I gave particularly engages, so I think the
thing to do, is go back to first principles:
Drama = Character-in-Action. So when you want to get across some
mood or other, show the effects of it in action, rather
than tell what it is in isolation.
e.g. to show that the person is upset about something, engineer a
situation where it's obvious: have him bite someone's head off on
the phone (who doesn't deserve it), pick a fight, drop a plate and
burst into tears over it, refuse invites out - or go and not talk
to a soul all evening; all these things will 'show' inner turmoil,
without you having to explain. And they will all have an effect on
the narrator, I assume? So instead of telling us, show us: does he
wash his hands three times after they've met? Be frightened of
opening the door?
I dunno your circs, but the key is action. What do they
do, that informs us how they feel?
Tony's right in that a lot of Hardy is unbearable circumstance; but
there's still a helluva lot of action that keeps you turning the
pages.
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| Sun, Jan 8 2012 02:16pm GMT 4 |

EmmaD
1997 Posts
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Don't forget that an antagonist can be a nice person, who, with the
best of intentions, acts in ways which conflict with your nice
character's well-intended action. Needn't be a baddy at all, in
that sense.
You could try writing a bit of your story from the
character-in-action's PoV, in first person if you like, to find out
more than your narrator knows about that character's feelings and
actions and conflicts.
Even better, think up an antagonist - well-intentioned, perhaps -
and write the same scene from his or her PoV. How does he/she see
what's happening? Once you've got a more rounded picture of the two
characters-in-action, in conflict with each other, you can begin to
explore what your narrator perceives, and how you can convey more
than the narrator thinks they're saying.
Plus, the more aware we are of the narrator's biases and
subjectivity - of the possibility that they can't or won't tell us
the whole, objective story, the more we'll try to read between the
lines to work out what the character he's telling us about is
really like. Paradoxically, in other words, the more
strongly-characterised your narrator is, the more strongly we look
for things the narrator can't/won't see.
You might find my series on narrators and point of view
useful:
http://emmadarwin.typepad.com/thisitchofwriting/2011/10/point-of-view-narrators-1-the-basics.html
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| Sun, Jan 8 2012 05:07pm GMT 5 |

Caducean Whisks
1236 Posts
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Had a thought. Have you read 'Notes on a Scandal' by Zoe Heller?
That has one person narrating another person's story - and
inadvertently telling their own story too.
May help?
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| Sun, Jan 8 2012 06:02pm GMT 6 |

EmmaD
1997 Posts
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Good idea - also The Great Gatsby.
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| Sun, Jan 8 2012 06:13pm GMT 7 |

Caducean Whisks
1236 Posts
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Wow! Yes! Ideas coming thick and fast now.
Wuthering Heights?
A Prayer for Owen Meany?
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| Sun, Jan 8 2012 08:27pm GMT 8 |

Johncjg
54 Posts
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ummm firstly, isnt that how Sherlock Holmes was written? all from
the POV of Watson and you never actually saw Sherlock's adventures?
you may want to read some of those if that's what you're
doing.
no antagonist, depends what you're reading.... Nick Hornby never
has any antagonist, and they're absolutely brilliant and the story
is interesting because the main character changes along the way,
self-discovery e.g. dealing with a situation at the start and the
end, but dealing with it differently - food for thought
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| Sun, Jan 8 2012 10:28pm GMT 9 |

Eli d’Elbée
167 Posts
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Thanks everybody, a very nice mix of ideas there. Emma, you should
be canonised!
Many thanks for all your thoughts,
Eli
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