| Sat, Jan 14 2012 04:48pm GMT 1 |

EmmaD
1997 Posts
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but also just, plain, honest-to-goodness wrong. Incorrect.
Ignorant.
http://chronicle.com/article/50-Years-of-Stupid-Grammar/25497
and there was me blaming its accolytes for all the idiocies and
illiteracies I see peddled on the web, and not the book itself. And
no wonder. For example, as that link says:
"...the bias against the passive is being retailed by a pair of
authors so grammatically clueless that they don't know what is a
passive construction and what isn't. Of the four pairs of examples
offered to show readers what to avoid and how to correct it, a
staggering three out of the four are mistaken diagnoses. "
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| Mon, Jan 16 2012 09:15am GMT 2 |

Captain Morgan
149 Posts
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Christ, even more tragic than the Waterstones/Waterstone’s
fiasco!
Interesting, though, that one can be ‘qualified as a grammarian’ –
is there some sort of test you can take?!
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| Mon, Jan 16 2012 09:33am GMT 3 |

EmmaD
1997 Posts
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Waterstones doesn't bother me - the fuss has been almost word for
word the same as for Harrods when it dropped it's apostrophe a
century ago. The world is not going to the dogs, the barbarians are
not at the gates, and there never was a golden age.
But individual pedantry is one thing - setting out rules when you
don't know them yourself is another. I assume 'qualified as a
grammarian' is that he has a degree in that side of linguistics,
but it does sound rather splendidly Dickensian, doesn't it.
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| Mon, Jan 16 2012 09:57am GMT 4 |

EmmaD
1997 Posts
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And yes, I've added an apostrophe that doesn't belong. That'll
teach me to post when I'm in the middle of doing other things...
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| Mon, Jan 16 2012 12:02pm GMT 5 |

Autumn
207 Posts
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Thanks for sharing this Emma! I wish I had seen it before buying
the 2000 (4th edition) copy last week! I thought it was so highly
praised at York FoW, and here on the cloud, that I bought it as one
of my 'must reads' on writing! I've only read the first chapter
(it's quite heavy going) but the section on clauses and commas so
far seemed OK (even if these bits were common sense, I figured
getting used to the style of the book would help me with the
tougher bits of grammar later....) Should I really bother with the
rest??
However, (did you see what I did there?), I also bought Stephen
King's 'On Writing', which I highly recommend as wonderful!
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| Mon, Jan 16 2012 12:03pm GMT 6 |

Wrathnar the Unreasonable
140 Posts
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Excellent article!
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| Mon, Jan 16 2012 01:18pm GMT 7 |

Barb
270 Posts
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"qualified as a grammarian" - sounds like the award should come
with a ruler for rapping students over the knuckles.
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| Mon, Jan 16 2012 02:38pm GMT 8 |

zoolane
86 Posts
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OK I purchase this book while ago, as we know I very little
understand about grammar and all stuff that go with it. I Reade
this book from cover to cover even try to some of exercises which I
gave up on after short while. But said that I know who has Reade
this book and understood how it was writing and explain. So maybe
depend on you choose to make sentence of it.
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| Mon, Jan 16 2012 05:30pm GMT 9 |

stephenterry
1882 Posts
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Quiet agree xoolane. Its lose grammer and all that stuff. Cant sigh
i reed it tho.
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| Mon, Jan 16 2012 06:11pm GMT 10 |

zoolane
86 Posts
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OK I purchase this book while ago, as we know I very little
understand about grammar and all stuff that go with it. I Reade
this book from cover to cover even try to some of exercises which
I gave up on after short while. But said that I know who has
Reade this book and understood how it was writing and explain. So
maybe depend on you choose to make sentence of it.
OK this does not sound right so I will get back to you all with
better piece. So people can actual understand the point trying to
get across.
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| Mon, Jan 16 2012 08:47pm GMT 11 |

zoolane
86 Posts
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I have re- read ed the link and maybe it old style of grammar is
more easy for people to understand but I did not get one bit of
examples, even moderns ways of teaching English grammar and
sentences,etc. I still did not it. Just beyond me. Maybe it would
best interest of everyone in clue the publisher to have the re
invention for modern age.
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