| Mon, Jan 23 2012 11:13pm GMT 1 |

EleanorW
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This is the second part to a proposed trilogy of snapshots, all of
the same place and time and event. This part I've only just
written. It's very much a first draft, and I feel I've got to know
the people here well enough to trust you to tell me honestly what
it needs doing to it!
25/1/2012 : I've made some suggested edits which should be plain
to see.
The Encounter - the
woman's story
Katrine blew on her gloved hands, stamped her feet
surreptitiously
trying not to draw
attention to herself, and frowned. As a farmer’s
daughter neither the early
hour did not
bother her but the cold did.
any more than
usual. She missed her fleece-lined boots and thick
woollen gloves. Leather might be smart but it simply couldn't
keep the frost at bay. She watched her breath forming a
dainty white fog in front of her and wished the mission was
over.
Given her own way she would have turned up padded out in her
byre wear, absolutely inelegant but warm. Unfortunately it
was her operator’s way that counted as he had told her quite
bluntly. “For the honour of France!” he’d said, as if she
didn't realise what was at stake. “You are a city-dweller who
is travelling home from a stay in the country, and that is
what your travel documents will say.” The fact that she was
to board the train and then get off again one station down
the line, didn't affect anything as far as her operator was
concerned.
She couldn't shake off the strange feeling that she was being
watched. Not by her mission who was standing at the opposite
end of the platform looking away from her down the tracks.
There appeared to be no-one else present, but German
Intelligence could be anywhere. She had developed a finely
tuned sixth sense and couldn't simply dismiss her intuitions.
However, as long as the man down there knew his instructions
and followed them to the letter, this could all be over soon.
While waiting, she
reflected on her mission. It occurred to her that
the man was
probably confused and frightened but an initial empathy with
his plight soon gave way to irritation. Katrine really didn't
care much for Jews. She considered their religion fussy,
obsessive about rules, and not encouraging to outsiders. Not
like her beloved Catholicism with its huge dark spaces and
candle-lit sense of mystery. As soon as she could she would
go to St. Michel in the town. There, in the darkness and
silence, she would light a candle for the end of this
dreadful
interminable
War and for the success of all missions. Including this
morning’s. Jews were Jews, and not very likeable in her
estimation, but their treatment in the Nazi camps was not
something she’d mete out even to the cattle on her father’s
farm.
She sensed a movement at the other end of the platform and
checked her watch. Yes it was time. She began to walk slowly
down the snow-covered flagstones, looking anywhere except at
the approaching figure.
When she realised that they would cross right by the station
buildings she panicked slightly. This hadn't been properly
thought through. The paper was in her hand. Was she really
being watched? A trickle of smoke came from the chimney. Of
course there would be a station-master. Friend or foe?
As she passed the curtained window her sense of hidden eyes
grew much stronger. She abandoned the plan and dropped the
paper on the ground as the man was almost upon her. He
couldn't miss it.
She walked on and didn't wait to see if he bent down.
The train was late. It was just as cold at the other end of
the platform. She swore under her breath. When the train
finally pulled in, she boarded and refused to look back down
the platform. She settled into a half-empty compartment and
watched through the
drifting wisps of steam as the dawn sun sparkled on the frost
that rimmed the ploughed furrows alongside the
railway.
the dawn-lit frost-bejewelled steam-cowled countryside pass
by the window.
Not for the first time, she wondered if she was doing the
right thing. British airmen, escaped POWs, fleeing Jews - did
they really have anything to do with her? She sighed, and the
other travellers turned briefly to look at her before turning
away.
A few kilometres down the line a lane passed parallel to the
track for a while. She saw a man beating a horse and she
glared at him impotently. How dare someone treat a dumb
animal this way? It was all very well for -. She stopped,
aghast at the thought that had almost come full-formed into
her head. She lit a cigarette to cover her confusion and
exhaled loudly and deeply.
Twenty minutes from Sully, the train stopped again. She
dismounted and spoke a friendly word to the stationmaster
there, a friend of her father’s. Still disturbed by the
thought she had nearly given headroom to, she began the long
walk home to the farm.
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| Tue, Jan 24 2012 05:20am GMT 2 |

Sassie
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Hi Eleanor.
Just a few issues that didn't sit right with me.
Para.4. - Feels as though it's in the wrong place, as though it was
an afterthought somehow, it didn't flow (hate that word) smoothly
from para.3. I did, however, like her views on everything, just not
where you placed it. Might just be me though.
Para.9. - the dawn-lit frost-bejewelled steam-cowled countryside
pass by the window. - Seems a little jarred, and not in-keeping
with the rest of the narrative.
Para.11/12. - I like the hint at a dark thought she has, drawing me
in and leaving me guessing. For me I like small jewels of intrigue.
I'm not of the ilk that likes everything thrown out there, I prefer
to have some form of mystery, so well done.
After reading your previous piece on the station-master, I have to
say I preferred it to this one. Although this is beautifully
written, I can't seem to connect with her the same way.
It is however, something I would have no problem in reading,
because I like your form of writing.
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| Tue, Jan 24 2012 07:12am GMT 3 |

stephenterry
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Hi Eleanor. Not too sure I connected with this piece - it just
didn't gel for me. IMO, the stationmaster piece was far superior.
Okay, so what is it that bugs me? It's probably to do with the
farmer's daughter being totally mismatched for the mission - so
it's more a credibility thing.
Here is an example where there is conflicting messages, without
explanation.
Katrine blew on her gloved hands, stamped her feet surreptitiously, and
frowned. The
continuity of action with the frown at the end is not right, and
how do you stamp (which is a forcful action) surreptitiously?
As a farmer’s daughter neither the early hour nor the cold bothered her any
more than usual. Which contradicts the above and also the next
sentence below.
She missed her
fleece-lined boots and thick woollen gloves. Leather might
be smart but it simply couldn't keep the frost at bay.
(It's fine if she's acting a part, but that is not revealed. Maybe
you could play around with that theme more because there doesn't
seem to be much purpose to her mission. For the honour of France,
yet there was a lot of thought about Jews - not so sure that the
two synch together very well.)
I'm probably being more critical than it justifies, but normally
you write so exquisitely, that it becomes noticeable when it
doesn't hit the right notes, e.g. like the triple connecting
adjectives that Sassie pointed out.
Hope that helps
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| Tue, Jan 24 2012 09:48am GMT 4 |

Alanboy
434 Posts
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Hi,
Yes, there are too many adjectives and adverbs, IMO. I have to ask:
how do you exhale 'loudly and deeply'? It sounds vague, but then, I
don't smoke. And, how do you glare impotently? What type of war
isn't dreadful?
Sorry, I know it's an early draft.
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| Tue, Jan 24 2012 11:25pm GMT 5 |

EleanorW
177 Posts
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Thanks Sassie. Helpful comments. Where do you think Para.4. should
go? (I only put it there because in the previous paragraph she had
referenced the man for the first time). Para.9. - the dawn-lit
frost-bejewelled steam-cowled countryside pass by the window.
Yes, that only got put in as I wanted a bit of beauty of
description, it might be inappropriate there though.
Thank you Stephen - ditto. Not sure I see what you mean about the
frown, but you're quite right to question "stamp
surreptitiously". I had my own doubts about that. I suppose
I meant she was trying to not draw attention to
herself.
I can see where you would find a contradiction about
the
cold (she was dressed in unaccustomed clothes) - that needs more
attention.
Your other points I respectfully differ over - I was deliberately
trying to counter the "everyone in the Resistance was a spotless
hero" view. They weren't, they were simply human beings with all
the flaws that implies. However, if it didn't come over too well,
then I've failed in what I was trying to convey. I need to look
at that again.
Alan - yes, "dreadful War" is definitely a tautology, I'll have
to rephrase that. "Glare impotently" - if you witness cruelty
through a train window, how else can you glare? It's not as if
you can do anything about what you see! But thanks for the
comments.
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| Wed, Jan 25 2012 12:51am GMT 6 |

Eddytip
237 Posts
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Where can I find the stationmaster's story?
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| Wed, Jan 25 2012 04:36am GMT 7 |

stephenterry
1882 Posts
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Eddy, go back through the critiques to find her first post- there's
a number sequence at the bottom of the list.
hi Eleanor - the 'frown' doesn't connect to anything before (you
describe two body actions) or after (you then describe her
unsuitable clothes before wishing that the mission was over). It's
left hanging at the end of the sentence. Frown at what? The cold?
Her boots? Her mission? Or did she just have a headache?
Insignificant point, but you included it for a reason, I thought?
It's nit-picking, I agree.
Yeah, I never connected with your explanation, sorry. I don't know
why, though... Maybe it had something to do with the 'honour of
France' not gelling properly in my mind. If it had been for the
'honour of the Jewish resistance' (or whatever terminology they
used - OJC) it might have resonated. Since half of France was
pro-German anyway, I wasn't convinced. Maybe it's me...
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| Wed, Jan 25 2012 04:49am GMT 8 |

Sassie
29 Posts
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Hi Eleanor.
I'm sorry, I re-read para the first 4 paragraphs and I see it now.
Haven't had much sleep, the fuzzy head must be playing tricks with
me.
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| Wed, Jan 25 2012 04:50am GMT 9 |

Sassie
29 Posts
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See what I mean, can't even post that properly.
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| Wed, Jan 25 2012 08:04pm GMT 10 |

EleanorW
177 Posts
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I've made some suggested edits, above.
Stephen, I think I've failed to explain or even hint clearly what
is going on, so I'll explain, before I attempt to rewrite.
Katrine is a member of a cell of the French Resistance,
answerable to her 'operator'. Like all the Resistance, they are
anti-Nazi and pro-France (as in "for the honour of France!").
But, in common with much of European sentiment, there isn't a
great deal of sympathy for Jews. The camps are known about, but
not the full horror of what goes on in them. Katrine is not
actually anti-semitic, but nor is she very sympathetic. The third
segment will provide a further twist.
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| Thu, Jan 26 2012 04:09pm GMT 11 |

stephenterry
1882 Posts
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Goody - let's have the third one...
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| Fri, Jan 27 2012 02:24pm GMT 12 |

gill46
11 Posts
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well one thing in particular stood out which I think you should
definately omit- that being ' she didnt care much for Jews' etc.
never advisable to put anything remotely racially prejudiced
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| Fri, Jan 27 2012 02:26pm GMT 13 |

gill46
11 Posts
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Ok well yes I see its aplitically bound story but I see it as
actually being your voice and therefore its hard to get away from
the anti jew feature. I grant that it might be essential to the
story however.
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| Fri, Jan 27 2012 04:50pm GMT 14 |

Johncjg
54 Posts
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its true i find it hard to sympathize with a jew hater
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| Fri, Jan 27 2012 05:14pm GMT 15 |

stephenterry
1882 Posts
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Actually, Gill, and JCG, I don't agree. Writers need to push the
boundaries - if it makes an uncomfortable read, so be it. However,
if this story is going to be published Eleanor would have to bear
in mind that she would lose a proportion of her potential
readers.
And that's enough not to be published, because it won't be
profitable to push a book that has a limited readership.
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| Fri, Jan 27 2012 08:48pm GMT 16 |

Tenacityflux
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I will just agree that anti-sematism was very widely spread an
accepted here before the war, and afterwards - and so showing that
your character has those views would be very true to life. People
didn't know the full extent of what was happening in the death
camps, so if through the course of the story her views change they
have to change from a less exeptable pov. I see her thought process
as being a cover for her fear as what she's doing and the risk
she's taking - and true to life. I don't have a problem with her
being conflicted, in her position I'd be frankly terrified even
though I'd want to defend my country.
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| Fri, Jan 27 2012 09:11pm GMT 17 |

EleanorW
177 Posts
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Jill, John, Stephen, Tenacity - thank you for your comments. The
first thing I need to say is that I've approached this as a writer.
The "persecuted Jews" story is a tragic one (almost beyond
comprehension), but it's been done many times. I wanted to
introduce a twist - the Resistance worker who helps Jews but from a
religious POV she is not enthusiastic about Judaism, and has
allowed that to influence her attitude toward Jews. Tenacity is
quite right - Katrine is reflecting a very common and prevalent
anti-semitism that existed during the War.
For the record, I had a Jewish grandmother I never met (she died
before I was born), and was brought up a Christian. I am
pro-Palestine and anti-Zionism, but anti-semitism leaves as much
of a bad taste in my mouth as any other kind of racism.
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| Fri, Jan 27 2012 09:15pm GMT 18 |

Tenacityflux
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I'm also of Jewish stock (chicken, I presume.)
I do remember my Mum worked in TV in the 60's, and a famous
entertainer ( who's fame is not immortal enough for me to remember
his name) moved to Hadley Wood near her so that he could play golf
at the famous gold club, but was never admitted because their
policy stated no Jews. He only died in the 80's - they admitted
woman in 2006...
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| Fri, Jan 27 2012 09:47pm GMT 19 |

Ali
490 Posts
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TFx, Mr Rosenblaum's List by Natasha Solomons has the same plot as
you describe, it's brill. Soon to be a movie I believe.
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| Fri, Jan 27 2012 10:00pm GMT 20 |

Ali
490 Posts
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Eleanor,
I like your story telling. I find this subject facinating and have
written on the theme myself. I take it you've read Charlotte
Gray?
There certainly was a lot of anti semitism in Europe including
Britain and most certainly France. As ST says half of the country
was pro German including the Gendarmerie. The resistance also had
many factions; Communists and Gaulists being the main two. I am of
the opinion that most people were aware of the death camps but
chose to look the other way; both governments and ordinary people.
Did the French people thinks their neighbours were being taken on
holiday?
Why did the Allies repeatedly refuse to attack the rail line to
Germany and Poland?
I'm not put off by your MC's thoughts. Actually I'm more put off by
your anti-zionist views. Although of course, you are entitled to
them. There are faults on both sides of the devide.
My Grandmother was also Jewish, which makes both of us technically
Jewish as it passes through the maternal line. I am looking into
Judaism as a faith.
Good luck with the story.
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| Fri, Jan 27 2012 10:18pm GMT 21 |

EleanorW
177 Posts
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Ali, I'm only anti-Zionist because of the intolerance, violence and
anti-semitism which it incorporates. Anti-semitism? Yes, surely -
aren't the Palestinians Semites too? The Israeli government is
building a wall to block off its own cousins, brothers, sisters,
and it's worse than apartheid which at least claimed racial
differences (shallow though that claim was). Native Israelis and
Palestinians are the same people!
Tenacity - LOL @ chicken stock. I love chicken soup. Soup is
thicker than blood
I'm currently buzzing with ideas for the final part of this
story. If it wasn't for the Amazon Breakthrough Novel entry I
would be well into writing it by now.
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| Sat, Jan 28 2012 07:51am GMT 22 |

Ali
490 Posts
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I have a problem with 'anit-zionist' which I believe is different
to 'Anti-Israeli governement.' I don't agree with the wall. But a
terrorist is a terrorist. I have relatives with bomb shelters in
their basements.
Good luck with your work.
When you get a moment read Faulks, if you haven't already.
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| Sat, Jan 28 2012 06:11pm GMT 23 |

Old Fat Prop
205 Posts
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Your mc has more compassion for a beaten horse than downed Allied
air crew or jews?
Must be a woman thing...
I think I'd root for the Abwehr in this tale.
I'll defer my comments on extinct states like Rhodesia, Carthage
and Palestine for another venue
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| Sat, Jan 28 2012 06:23pm GMT 24 |

EleanorW
177 Posts
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Old Fat Prop - I'm not sure you've understood? Katrine saw the
horse being beaten and it put something in her head - a comparison
relating to how human beings mistreat each other - that shocked
her. This was a really disturbing thought, and the story ends with
her still thinking about it. The points I was trying to convey in
this story were
1. that Resistance workers weren't necessarily heroic
superhumans, just human
2. that anti-semitism was widespread in WW2
3. that unconscious opinions can be changed by something as
fleeting as a scene glimpsed from a train
4. that human beings are subtle and complex (not easy to convey
in less than 1000 words!)
I may have failed in successfully conveying those themes.
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| Sat, Jan 28 2012 06:49pm GMT 25 |

Old Fat Prop
205 Posts
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These are touchy subject to be flirting with and you are bound to
expect reactions from that.
The failure to comprehend is most probably mine, rather than a
failure to convery your message.
Mine enemy's enemy is my friend wasn't always the case in the
resistance as ST and Ali point out.
Franc Tiruers were probably the most efficient but they were
commies and on the wrong side of the Elbe so they got stitched more
times than not. The Free French were megalomaniacs and difficult to
work with. But they were our sort of megalomaniacs.....
In post war france in 1946 there were more executions than in any
year of the French revolutions as scores were settled.
You chose a very complicated time and place for a setting.
Hope the final version is a good tale and not just another vehicle
for political views....so boring that...
OFP
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