| Sat, Jan 28 2012 07:11pm GMT 1 |

MinxieAD
278 Posts
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Hi Eleanor. This was well written and smooth to read. I can see the
picture your painting of Katrine and I'm not sure if her views will
change. However, I can understand how society can influence those
views and think it's important to be honest when writing about such
topics, which you have done. I think it would work better if you
reinforced the fact that she isn't aware of what is happening to
the Jews. As an example: '...were Jews, and not very likeable in
her estimation, but their treatment in the Nazi camps was not
something she’d mete out even to the cattle on her father’s farm.'
This line leads me to believe she is fully aware of what the Jews
were being put through, so when she says she isn't keen on them it
puts her in an entirely different light. I think the line regarding
the cattle takes compassion from her in a way, and if she goes on
to help people, she must have compassion. Not sure if that helps
with her character? Depends what you've got in store for her I
think. Well written piece.
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| Sat, Jan 28 2012 11:29pm GMT 2 |

EleanorW
177 Posts
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Thanks Minxie. As far as knowledge of the camps goes, they were
certainly known about, and it was also known that people
disappeared. More than that (i.e. the full horror of gas chambers,
the Belsen pitiful living skeletons) were horrors that awaited the
liberation of the camps in 1945. So Katrine probably thinks of the
camps in much the same way as we thought of Soviet 'gulags' in the
1980s. That was the light in which she makes her reference to
cattle on the farm.
Her 'not being keen on Jews' was more to do with her being a
Catholic and not having much sympathy for the Judaic religion,
rather than full-blown anti-semitism. It didn't stop her helping
Jews escape the Nazis.
I won't be going back to Katrine, her story is done. The final
part will be the man's story - there were three people at the
station that morning, there will be three stories.
OFP - sorry you thought the story was a political rant. I didn't
see it that way. But like I said before, I obviously failed to
put what was in my head across.
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| Sun, Jan 29 2012 01:02am GMT 3 |

Eddytip
237 Posts
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Well, Elanor, you have certainly stirred things up with this piece
of writing which has much potential; you have recieved far more
comments than I usually get.
That said, few seem to rest upon your prose. Many pose issues
which we - by that I mean people in their 6th or 7th decade - are
familiar with. You are not stupid; you were plainly aware of the
issues that might flare up. But so too have been dozens of
writers who have gone on to be very sucessful with this subject:
David Downing and Alan Furst spring to mind and the book - and
film - of Charlotte Gray captured the fears of the time
wonderfully.
The point of the Cloud, is to help you to write better, to help
you mould your words into an interesting story that grabs
people's attention and make them want to read more. Those in
their 2nd or 3rd generation would be better informed if they
read your stories rather than the sh1t trundled out by, often
empty-headed, cellebs.
Eddy.
(puts soap-box away and looks forward to the 3rd tale)
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| Sun, Jan 29 2012 06:03am GMT 4 |

Old Fat Prop
205 Posts
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E, I see political rants everywhere and perform a few my self. What
I have learned and forgotten several times is how easy it is to
have my own convictions (ABH & GBH) affect a story, often
without deliberate intent. In these days of political correctness
it is too easy to offend a judging authority or audience and have
good writing ignored for bad reasons. Keep writing. I look forward
to your next offering. OFP
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| Sun, Jan 29 2012 11:00am GMT 5 |

EleanorW
177 Posts
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Thank you Eddy and OFP. I really didn't anticipate all the reaction
I got! Oh well, better than being ignored. I'm currently writing
the third story but not sure when it will be finished.
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| Sun, Jan 29 2012 02:28pm GMT 6 |

Tenacityflux
1266 Posts
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I was looking at that Amazon thing the other day - my manuscript is
not ready yet but I was wondering if I could call on captain
insomnia and give it a go - how 'finished' would it have to be I
wonder?
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| Mon, Jan 30 2012 12:25pm GMT 7 |

EleanorW
177 Posts
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Tenacity - you have to upload your 'Pitch', the opening 'Excerpt',
and the entire manuscript, all at one go. You then have a window in
which to edit and re-do things as they won't be looking at it until
after the deadline of 5th February. If you could finish it in that
time! then all best of luck to you.
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| Mon, Jan 30 2012 12:32pm GMT 8 |

EleanorW
177 Posts
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A window of time, I mean.
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| Mon, Jan 30 2012 01:03pm GMT 9 |

Tenacityflux
1266 Posts
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Okay, well, maybe I could - it would be a hell of an ask but I like
a deadline!
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| Mon, Jan 30 2012 02:15pm GMT 10 |

EleanorW
177 Posts
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Cool - break a leg!
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