| Tue, May 19 2009 11:28am IST 1 |

Harry
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I'm reading
Infidel at the moment, an autobiog by the Somali-Dutch
MP made famous when Theo Van Gogh, her collaborator in a film
about Islam & women, was killed by a religious nut
case.
Infidel is a stunning book. It's simply, levelly and
lethally written. You learn more about the culture of
tribal-Islamic Africa, more about Saudi Arabia, and more about
Islam from this book than from any number of newspaper articles
or news reports. The book also does something that I did in
This Little
Britain, which is to remind the reader with vigour and
without apology how wonderful Western, liberal democracy is -
what a stunningly wonderful system it is as compared with almost
any other system anywhere ever.
And I have to say, I love autobiographies. I almost love em more
than novels. They can be as incisive, but they're true.
I love, for example Czeslaw Milosz's Native Realm, at
the top end of things literary, but I was also very impressed by
our WW client, John Fenton's, Please Don't Make Me Go. I
loved West With the Night. I've loved all the crazy,
rubbish little memoirs that I've pillaged for my historical
fiction. I'm working on a manuscript now with a WW client that's
also autobiographical, and also fab.
But what are your favourites? What other yummy autobiogs do I
need to get my paws on? What have you read that you love? And
what did you hate? Let all have a Heated Debate!
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| Tue, May 19 2009 03:06pm IST 2 |

Spangles
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Like you, Harry, I love autobiographies — and also biographies, and
for exactly the same reasons. I've gone through highly enjoyable
phases of reading nothing else. I used to belong to the Barbican
public library in London which had a phenomenal biography section
and I'd go home with armfuls of books.
So, which autobiogs are my favourites? Strangely enough, I
realized that I probably read more biogs than autobiogs, so I
could give you a long list of those but that's not what you asked
for.
One of my favourite autobiogs could be classed as a forerunner of
the dreaded celebrity memoir (it was published in the late 70s),
but it's so beautifully written that I think it stands in a class
of its own. It's Dirk Bogarde's A Postillion Struck by Lightning and
describes his childhood. Part of the book is set around
Alfriston, which is one of my favourite bits of East Sussex, and
I still think of Dirk and his sister Elizabeth in her hat (which
she called her 'hate') when I'm there.
Which leads me on to another beautifully written memoir about
childhood — Laurie Lee's Cider
with Rosie. As with Postillion, it's a book that has
stayed with me ever since I first read it, and scenes from it are
etched in my mind's eye, such as his description of being scared
the first time he saw grass because he didn't know what it was,
and the two old women who thrived on their hatred for one
another. A literal thriving, as it turned out, because after the
first one died the other went into a decline and shortly followed
her into the grave.
Now I've started thinking about it, there are lots more to write
about. But one autobiography that had a massive, quite dramatic
impact on me when I first read it is High Diver by Michael Wishart. He
was a painter (incredibly beautiful when young, judging by the
photos, and then sadly seedy when old) who knew everyone from
Lucien Freud to David Hockney to Francis Bacon, and he had the
sort of rackety, fascinating life that had me feverishly turning
the pages to find out what was going to happen next and with
whom. He also described everything with a painter's eye, so I
started to see the world around me in a completely different way.
In one of those strange links, Michael Wishart's mother extremely
lovely mother Lorna had been one of Laurie Lee's lovers.
You've got me thinking and remembering now, and I'm going to go
away and make a list of other gems.
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| Tue, May 19 2009 04:23pm IST 3 |

EmmaD
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Alexandra Fuller's Don't Let's Go To The Dogs Tonight is
extraordinarily good - a memoir of growing up in a white Rodesian
farming family in the 70s, when it was getting more and more
tense and embattled. Very subtly, she writes it always through
the eyes - not the voice - of the age she is for any given bit,
so you experience it as that child would have, picking up on the
weirdness and the beauties as well as the fear and everything
far, far more effectively than if you were in the hands of an
adult storyteller.
Not really autobiography, but Joe Simpson (?)'s Touching the
Void is stunning, though with my pickiest editor's hat on
I'd say the writing is very much fit-for-purpose, but not truly
memorable as the Fuller is at its best.
Mary Lee Settle's All the Brave Promises is a memoir of
being a WRAF in the war: as a Yank who volunteered for
ideological reasons she has a fascinating eye for that world, and
it's very restrainedly moving about it. I gather her fiction's
good, though I haven't read any.
Biog, not autobiog, but I've just read Judith Mackrell's
biography of Lydia Lopokova, who was in the last generation of
dancers trained in the Imperial Ballet School, became a
mega-mega-mega star in American and then with the Ballets Russes,
and then married Maynard Keynes, much to the rest of Bloomsbury's
disgust. He was happily gay, and I'd always assumed it was a
mariage blanche but not a bit of it: it's the most
touching love match. Lovely vignette towards the end, when he's
trying to rearrange the entire post-war world at the Bretton
Woods conference, in between heart attacks, and she goes along
with, largely to keep him alive. The suited and hatted diplomatic
wives knock on her posh hotel door to take her along to some
suitably decorous entertainment, and inside is Lydia, veteran of
touring to the crummiest corners of the planet, thumping away at
her daily practice, with strings of washing, and soup boiling ...
Mackrell's amazing at conveying just what was so very special
about her dancing - she's dance correspondent of, I think, The
Times, and it really shows.
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| Wed, May 20 2009 07:43am IST 4 |

Spangles
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I love reading about the Bloomsburries and think I might order that
book from the library.
One of my absolute favourite biographies — and if I ever write
one myself it will be my shining example of how to do it — is
Victoria Glendinning's Vita, about Vita Sackville-West.
I've reread it several times and I can never put it down. It's
beautifully written and it brings Vita completely to life, in all
her guises from devoted wife to rather predatory lover, from
abstracted and distant mother to fanatical gardener. We watch
Vita dig huge holes for herself, metaphorically speaking, and we
hear her voice in her letters and diaries. Victoria Glendinning
never tells us what to think and never passes judgement on Vita's
behaviour; she simply presents the evidence and lets us make up
our own minds.
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| Wed, May 20 2009 09:28am IST 5 |

Pimlicokid
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Arthur Miller's Timebends; not only beautifully written
but honest and, for a mega-writer, humble.
At the other extreme my father once gave me a book of Monty's
memoirs (Paths to Leadership?). No doubting the great
man's military achievements but the lack of modesty made for poor
autobiography. If there was an auto-hagiography category, that's
where I'd file it.
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| Wed, May 20 2009 10:50am IST 6 |

EmmaD
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Monty wasn't exactly famous for being backwards in coming forwards,
was he. One of the most fascinating books I've read in a long time
is On The Psychology of Military Incompetence, by an ex-officer who
became a psychoanalyst. Monty comes into it, as a particularly
interesting case. All in all, the army were outraged, and tried to
have the book suppressed.
The Miller sounds fascinating - yes, not a consciously starry man,
at all.
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| Wed, May 20 2009 03:51pm IST 7 |

Jacquie
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oh yes - I do so love both autobographies and biographies - what is
it about them or us ? Does it perhaps suggest a latent tendancy
towards voyeurism. Hmmmmmmmm...
Anyway, some of my favorites...
The flame trees of Thika by Elspeth Huxley. Such a
beautiful book about her childhood in Kenya set sometime between
the first WW and I think about 1925.
Then there's Churchill's - My Early Life. He was a
wonderful writer Churchill and his description of his failure as a
scholar but his success as a soldier and his early attempts as a
very young politician takes one from Sandhurst to the Sudan and the
Boer Wars. It was a delightful read.
Frank Mc Court's Angela's Ashes - so much has been said
about this book but from my perspective it brought home shocking
truths about poverty in the so-called first world - truths that I
was hitherto unaware of . Despite it's 'happy' ending, it carried
disturbing echo that lingered long after the book was finished; a
shocking thought - if he had not been presented with that wonderful
opportunity to steal money from the dead old lady - would Frank Mc
Court still be destitute and unknown, shoeless, freezing cold, in
dripping Ireland?How much raw talent is wasted out there - through
lack of opportunity. I think about this very often...
Has anyone read Geoff Dyer's Yoga for people who can't be
bothered to do it ? he writes brilliantly and this book - a
travelogue comprised of a series of short stories - all come
together at the end as a resolved work that describes his
dependancy on recreational drugs, his mid-life crisis and a nervous
breakdown. ... grim, I know, but a work of art , to my mind.
One auto-biography I really did NOT like - but read to the end
nevertheless was Doris Lessing's Under my Skin. I jhave
never read a book of hers again - although her debut novel The
grass is singing is a remarkable work... She was everything an
auto-biographer should NOT be to my mind - arrogant, self
promoting, unrepentant for abandoning her very young family ( for
no clear-cut reason), oh and did I say arrogant and self promoting
? Inexcusable.
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| Wed, May 20 2009 10:36pm IST 8 |

Lizzy
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I love them too. Though I have to say I hated Angela's Ashes. I
guess I just found it so relentless. Basically I enjoy reading
about real people. Is this voyeurism? Nah I am doing
anthropological research!
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| Sat, May 23 2009 05:21pm IST 9 |

Jacquie
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Has any one read the autobiography of Lilianne Hellman ? I
haven't but she was . apparently a notorious liar ! She was quite
a rotter all round apparently so anything she says about herself
could make for interesting reading when seen in the light of what
other's have said about her.
The author mary McCarthy famously said of Hellman that "every
word she writes is a lie, including 'and' and 'the'."
Hellman's response was to file a US$2,500,000 slander suit
against McCarthy. McCarthy then produced evidence that Hellman
had shaded the truth on many accounts of her life, including some
of the information that later appeared in her book...
Just wondering if anyone's read it ?
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| Sun, May 24 2009 10:41am IST 10 |

Spangles
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I read her memoirs Pentimento and An Unfinished Woman an awfully long
time ago. Dear God, I've just worked out how long ago it actually
was and must now grope my way to a chair so this aged person can
have a nice sit down. Anyway, I enjoyed them immensely but I don't
know how true they were. Lillian Hellman did upset a lot of people,
I know, and her left-wing political views stirred up plenty of dust
at a time when America was in a collective twitch about the evils
of Communism. wonder whether that has anything to do with the
criticism levelled at her. Surely she isn't the only author to have
varnished the truth and to have elided fact and fiction?
Thanks for reminding me about these books. I think I'll have to
dig them out and reread them because, as far as I can remember,
they are beautifully written regardless of whether they're fact
or they more closely resemble fiction. Some of the scenes that
she describes have stayed with me ever since I first read them
thirty years ago.
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| Sun, May 24 2009 03:25pm IST 11 |

Jacquie
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well there you go ! She obviously had some worth as a writer if she
had this effect on a reader.
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| Sun, May 24 2009 06:16pm IST 12 |

Lizzy
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Well I do wonder how many authors of autobiography and memoirs sail
close to the wind as far as the truth is concerned. I have written
a memoir myself and although I haven't lied there have been times
when I have used a great deal of artistic licence! Often it is
difficult to remember exactly what happened when and who said what,
one has to use imagination and a bit of cheek!
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| Mon, May 25 2009 09:42am IST 13 |

Spangles
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Yes, memory does play tricks.
A classic case of Is-This-True? is David Niven, whose two
wonderful volumes of autobiography (Bring on the Empty Horses and
The Moon's a Balloon)
were publishing sensations (deservedly so, I think) when they
came out in the 70s and allegedly are a collection of stories
that happened to his friends but which were very cleverly told as
though they had happened to him. Does this matter? I don't know
because I've never been able to stop laughing long enough to
think about it.
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| Mon, May 25 2009 11:13am IST 14 |

Jacquie
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Must make a note to try and get those two books - the Moon's A
Balloon was highly acclaimed if I remember.
Yes , anyone who grew up with siblings should know haw very
unreliable ( or at least very personal) one's memory can be. I have
two sisters and it is very disconcerting ( or amusing, depending on
your perspective) when we compare notes from our childhood and find
out that what one of us remembers as a shining, life-changing
moment the others either do not remember at all or have a
completely different take on the situation ... which brings us to
the question... what actually IS reality ? What is truth ? Indeed,
indeed...
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| Mon, May 25 2009 02:06pm IST 15 |

PsychoPat
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Have to agree with Harry: Ayaan Hirsi Ali's
"Infidel" is a stunning read and a real
eye-opener.
I saw her on a US TV show where the interviewer basically sneered
at Ayaan's unapologetic praise for Western democracy. She looked
him straight in the eye and said (paraphrasing), "It's easy for you
to spit on your own freedoms, when all you have ever known is
comfort and privilege. If you had been born into the situation I
was born into, and born female, you might understand what you have
here and cherish it."
But the book isn't preachy; it's a stunning, tragic, human story of
survival. VERY moving.
I loved Chaplin's autobiography, although it's heavily
self-censored. Also Lauren Bacall's "By Myself", and not just
because she signed it for me and let me make her laugh (no tickling
involved). Also any of Truman Capote's autobiographical essays and
short stories, all of which are gems.
On the whole, I prefer biographies to autobiographies--so long as
they're not by that daft dead dickhead, Albert Goldman, the vulture
of literature.
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| Mon, May 25 2009 02:16pm IST 16 |

PsychoPat
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Oh damn! I forgot to mention ALL
SPIKE MILLIGAN'S
WAR MEMOIRS!
"They blew me up during the war. The biggest mistake I ever made
was coming back down again." Spike Milligan.
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| Mon, May 25 2009 02:49pm IST 17 |

Jacquie
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Psycho Pat - did you watch the movie on Truman Capote ? Brilliant I
thought. Must try to get his writings too...
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| Mon, May 25 2009 03:03pm IST 18 |

PsychoPat
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Hi Jacquie.
Yeah, I did see the movie. At least, I saw the one starring Philip
Seymour Hoffman. Superb performance.
If you want to read Capote, I'm not sure where you should start, as
it depends on taste. 'In Cold Blood' changed literature and even
journalism; but 'Breakfast At Tiffany's' (especially when placed
under the same cover as his shorts "A Diamond Guitar" and "A
Christmas Memory"), is a great place to start.
Capote has a superbly descriptive, lyrical quality that matches
Fitzgerald at his best. Very beautiful writing. Very moving when he
wants to be. He's also scathing, bitchy, and always (0r nearly
always), brutally honest. If you're interested in the latter
qualities, his collected essays are for you.
Even now, we remain so close to the "celebrity" Capote that he
remains underrated; although not nearly as underrated as he was
some years back.
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| Mon, May 25 2009 03:13pm IST 19 |

Jacquie
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Thanks for these pointers PP.
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| Mon, May 25 2009 03:30pm IST 20 |

Jacquie
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There's a good review on Walter Kirn’s memoir, “Lost in the
Meritocracy: The Undereducation of an Overachiever”
Can be found on http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/books/review/Miller-t.html?8bu&emc=bu
Sorry abnout the size od this writing. Dont know why or what to do
about it.
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