Another request: WORK in CRITIQUES; BLOGS in BLOGS please?

Published by: Autumn on 31st Aug 2011 | View all blogs by Autumn
May I give a gentle reminder - nay - a huge plea - to people NOT to put their work up on the BLOG section? I can't find even yesterday's blogs without going down screens and screens of poems and chapters from cloudies wanting advice/critique. Please put these in the critiques or groups section, you will get a greater response there. If there are a group of kind folks who read for each other, please start a group and invite people - it keeps all your chapters together for your future reference and keeps WIPs seperate.

If nobody comments for a couple of days then perhaps put a one liner on your wall or the blog with the title and request for readers? Thank you. :) :) :)

Comments

25 Comments

  • RichardB
    by RichardB 8 months ago
    Agreed. It's been getting up my nose a bit too. It's even counter-productive, because when I see work posted here I tend to think: 'I'm here to read blogs. If I wanted to be critiquing I'd be over at the Forum,' and I scroll straight past it to the next blog.
  • Slippers
    by Slippers 8 months ago
    Yes I think I asked for this some time ago but it keeps going on. I even believe I did it myself too. But now I have my own blog so it all goes on there.
  • Ali
    by Ali 8 months ago
    It's because, for what ever reason, The Groups just do not work. I've tried. But now I have left all the groups that I initially joined.
    They are a waste of time, space and rations.
  • AlanP
    by AlanP 8 months ago
    I've been here quite a while and I must say that the groups used to work very well. Also a plea such as this goes up from time to time. I endorse what Autumn says. Perhaps if we all were a bit more active in the critiques section we might use it more.

    Blogs are not posts of work for critiques. Whatever we think they are, that's certainly something they aren't.
  • Slippers
    by Slippers 8 months ago
    I agree the groups are inactive a lot of the time, our fault, my fault perhaps but I think it's because they aren't up front much and it's quicker to get a reply from critiques. Perhaps WC should implement a no use shut down policy.
    Someone replied on this topic before that louders put there fiction on blogs for us to read so perhaps another section is needed for writings that just wanna be read.
  • Caducean Whisks
    by Caducean Whisks 8 months ago
    And please don't blanket-bomb the place? I don't think you get any more comments and a drip-feed of work allows work/blogs to receive proper attention from the kindness of strangers - interspersed, of course, with your commenting on others' work/blogs to maintain reciprocity. We're a lovely bunch, truly we are, and welcoming to anyone who draws up a chair and joins in. Hooray for us.
  • Slippers
    by Slippers 8 months ago
    Indeed CW, Hooray for us.
  • Kate7
    by Kate7 8 months ago
    I must admit I have been very guilty of this, But I promise to put more stuff up on Forums.

    A possible suggestion to encourage Forums, as for some reason Forum entries and responses do not come up on my notifications, is this a usual thing or am I just being dumb with my settings? If this is a normal thing then perhaps if this was changed it would be more encouraging.
  • Caducean Whisks
    by Caducean Whisks 8 months ago
    Kate, you can receive an email and/or a notification from any forum post - not just those you contributed to, but any that interest you.
    You can either tick 'Watch topic' at the top of the thread, or 'notify me' at the bottom near the reply box if you do reply. It will also tell you if you're already 'watching' down at the bottom of the thread - and you can change that at any time, by clicking on, er, 'change this'.
    Also, on the list of forum topics, a star next to the topic indicates that you are already 'watching' it - i.e. you will be notified when anyone else posts.
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 8 months ago
    I'd like to add my voice to the pleas not to post stuff intended for critiques on the blogs and also to avoid clogging up the blogs with too much of your own work at any one time. It is quite easy to see the new stuff that's coming up on the forums, as Whisks explains. Otherwise it can sometimes feel as though someone has arrived at a jovial gathering and is speaking in a really loud voice that drowns out everyone else. And they've scoffed all the crisps!
  • Tony
    by Tony 8 months ago
    Oh, nice picture, Spangles. I can just see it - someone holding forth at length and spraying little bits of half-chewed crisps in all directions! But yes, use Forum / Critique - general for work to be critiqued. Blogs are mainly for sharing your thoughts and holding discussions aout this and that. Groups don't work well because members forget to check in to see if there is any recent activity. They work very well for one particular purpose, though: if a writer has a number of 'fans' who want to read more of their wip, that writer can create a group and post each succeeding chapter in it, where group members can quickly find them all in one place. And that way, endless chapters don't clog up the main forum for everybody else. (This is not intended as a criticism, just good advice particularly for newer members who may not have seen it before.) Write on, everyone.
  • Weens
    by Weens 8 months ago
    I agree wholeheartedly and it has been getting worse recently. I don't think you need groups if you are wanting comments on your work. Just go to the critiques section. It's always worked more than well for me, when I posted things there. I haven't time to read the critiques section at the moment, but when I have, and I'm commenting on work posted, I skip the blog with work in, because I don't think it fair. It is more visible in a blog, but I think you'll find people will skip over it. So yes, please do use the critique section if you want comments and let the bloggers blog. As Tony says, write on.
  • Old Fat Prop
    by Old Fat Prop 8 months ago
    this is a difficult one. with all of the new talent arriving here this site is going to get busy soon. Everyone or at least I do, loves the aclaim and abuse which follow a submission to the blog.

    If you are looking for a critique, then of course the forum is the place. But who can fault the proud parent of a potential work of art wantign to show off?

    I would suggest for those who wish to headline their work to just post an excerpt of a few paragraphs and then a link to it.

    That would allow the purists to maintain the illusion of control and allow the budding Barbara Cartlands here our chance for glory.

    I write about 7-10 shorts per week, more if I had time and sold Her-indoors, and I could be much more mea culpa on this but I try to only inflict one per week or so. I bin most of them. Wish I had saved them now as some were almost readable.


    Balance is an easy word to throw out but it is much more difficult to achieve. I never have.
  • Chrysalis
    by Chrysalis 8 months ago
    Blogs in blogs? Critiques in critiques? Sounds reasonable to me if only I could work out how to post work in critiques! A little help please someone!
  • AlanP
    by AlanP 8 months ago
    Chrysalis - You select forum - critiques general and then create topic. You get a screen pretty much like a blog. They sort in date order of the latest post, so if you are attracting attention it stays up there.
  • Noodledoodle
    by Noodledoodle 8 months ago
    I agree with a point AlanP raised earlier - as always ( and I know I have said it before) its the same group of people critiquing, has been since I joined in March/April time. Perhaps we should all make more of an effort in the forum, that's what it's for isn't it?
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 8 months ago
    The thing is, if you post something in Blogs, it appears on the main 'home' wall. If you post in Critiques, then it doesn't. Perhaps OFP's suggestion is a good compromise - post a short extract to get people's attention, then link to the Critique section where the rest of the work is posted. I'm like others here. Unless it's a very short piece of writing, I tend to skip over 'critique' postings in the blog section.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 8 months ago
    Also, for those who find the technicalities of posting in the right place a little daunting, there is help to be had on that too. Click on the 'Forum' tab at the top of the page, then scroll down to 'How to get around on the Cloud'. There are several helpful threads in here that will answer a most questions or you can post your own question by clicking 'create thread'. You might not get an instant answer but some kind soul will pop in to answer at some point and if you click 'watch topic' when you've posted your question and say yes to either email or cloud notification, you will be told when someone answers you. Clear as mud? Jolly good. Seriously though, there are plenty of friendly folk on here willing to give a helping hand so just ask :-)
  • Caducean Whisks
    by Caducean Whisks 8 months ago
    Two things: The latest five postings on any forum thread do show on the front page - bottom right (although admittedly not in the main part).
    And the second thing - by clicking on 'watch topic', you get notified of any further postings on any forum thread - which isn't the case with blogs. It's a bit of a pain with blogs if you're interested in the discussion, as they can be awkward to find later to see if anyone else has commented - especially if you've been on holiday for a week.
    And the third thing of the two things: when I first joined (at the beginning), I critted every single thing on the forum, whether I liked it or not; and in great depth. It took hours and hours and days and days and weeks and weeks.
    Two things happened:
    I really honed my critical faculties - which seeped back into my own writing very quickly; if I saw someone do something irritating over and over again, it would sometimes dawn on my that I did exactly the same thing but I hadn't realised it. And vice versa - if I saw something done really effectively, I'd ponder how they'd achieved it and so learnt.
    The second thing that happened was that by casting my critting net widely, I developed my own little critting circle of people whose writing I liked and who appeared to like mine and so we took it off-Cloud and continue to crit each others' work privately to this day. They have become real friends too and we continue to support each other.
    I've noticed, as time goes by, that other critting circles develop naturally - a cluster of people who review each others' work and I believe many of them later go off-Cloud as well. This all strikes me as very healthy and organic.
    But the moral of the story is that if you give, you shall receive.
    I rarely do a public crit anymore because I'm happy with my own writing circle; but getting involved in crits in the first place, was one of the best things I ever did to move my own writing journey along; an investment that's paid great dividends and I'm really glad I did it.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 8 months ago
    "The latest five postings on any forum thread do show on the front page - bottom right (although admittedly not in the main part)."

    I don't think I knew that bit was there - how unobservant am I? Only been using this forum for about two and a half years....!
  • Caducean Whisks
    by Caducean Whisks 8 months ago
    Tee hee, Skylark!
  • Kate7
    by Kate7 8 months ago
    Caducean Whisks: Thanks for pointing that out, I swear I’m blind sometimes. *slaps head* I’ll be sure to do that in future. Lol I’m all embarrassed now for being such a dope *blush*

    Skylark: Lol you’re as bad as me, nice to know I’m not the only one XD
  • Miss Muffet
    by Miss Muffet 8 months ago
    I only log on to read the blogs. I do feel guilty about ignoring the forum- but then I don't add any of my own work in the forum either. If I see a load of chapters thinly disguised as a blog I just scroll right past.
  • Tenacityflux
    by Tenacityflux 8 months ago
    I am guilty of this - but when I posted longer pieces in the crit section, I was told off roundly, so that's why I started posting in blogs. Will try a group, but always feel a bit needy asking people to join just to read my work. Ho Hum!
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 8 months ago
    MM, there's no need to feel guilty unless you are requesting crits but giving none in return. Everyone uses this site in different ways - I don't crit very often either but I've also only posted my own work on a handful of occasions.

    Tenacity - it's a tricky balance. Posting lengthy pieces of work sometimes puts people off reading but if you know there are some people who are interested in your writing, then there's no reason why you can't start a group to post longer sections of work. Several people have done that and it works for them. It's not needy as long as you are willing to crit for the members of your group should they post anything themselves. As CW said above, it's just a matter of give and take.
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