Can women write horror?

Published by: CJ on 16th May 2010 | View all blogs by CJ

Well, can we?

Of course, I could argue yes: of course we can. I am a woman and I write horror, so surely it's a no brainer?

If that's the case, where are the female Stephen Kings? The female Clive Barkers? The female James Herberts? I've read horror since I first discovered the delights of The Fog (one of James Herbert's earlier efforts) at around the age of thirteen. I was probably a little too young to read it (a certain orgy scene was definitely an eye-opener), but nevertheless, it introduced me to a whole new genre that is quite often crap (Shaun Huston's "The Slugs"), but sometimes quite wonderful (Barker's "Weaveworld"). It even crossed over with the music I devoured - I am not ashamed to admit I actively sought out a certain H.P. Lovecraft after hearing Metallica's 'The Call of Ktulu' (it took me nearly two years to source a copy of 'The Dunwich Horror' in an anthology. Honestly, at that point, I think it would have been easier to source a copy of the original Necronomicon in my little back-water town...).

I noticed even then that there was a distinct lack of female horror writers. They just didn't seem to exist. We had Judy Blume and Little Women, but they bored me to absolute tears. I did hunt down some female writers who wrote what could be tentatively classified as horror - Anne Rice, Poppy Z Brite, a few short story writers I can't remember the names of (and even - *shudders* - Laurell K Hamilton) - but their stories seemed more romantic (and ALWAYS seemed to have gay vampires in there somewhere, being pretty and melancholy) and lacked the visceral nature of the horror written by their male counterparts.

Yesterday, I spent a little while looking up some publishers who specialise in cosmic / occult horror (the genre I absolutely love to write). I looked up the author list for Arkham House (the publisher I would love to write for)... and as far as I can see, not one of them is female. And this does worry me. I know in this day and age of equality it shouldn't be a worry... but it is. It does make me wonder - can women write horror? Or are we always destined to play second fiddle to our male counterparts? Do we have it in us to paint those visceral pictures, or will we be sidelined in favour of our rather more conventional, chick-lit writing sisters?

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  • Liss
    by Liss 2 years ago
    Hm it's possible that people would be very sexist in thinking (perhaps subconciously) that a male writer could do better at horror than a woman.

    But you've really made me think and I can't off the top of my head think of any!

    That's pretty disgraceful isn't it? xxx
  • CJ
    by CJ 2 years ago
    That's what I thought - and I do wonder why that is the case. Is it because women aren't very good at it, or is it because the perception is that women aren't very good at it? If I am honest, as a consumer of horror, I've not been enthralled by any female writers who could be considered horror writers (Z Brite, for example), which leads me to worry as a writer of horror. Even if I can do it, would I ever be considered anything other than a novelty? Look at women in, for example, music. I can name good all-female metal bands on one hand. I can't name ANY female metal bands who have enjoyed the success of, for example, Metallica. I play the guitar, and when I was actively in bands (not any more - can't be bothered!), even though I was regularly a better player than most of my male counterparts, I was *always* 'the novelty'. I never once stood there and did the 'I'm female AND I play the guitar!' - I always slunk to the back and just played; despite this, I was always the novelty. My gender was always the first thing people commented on - not that I could actually play. Is it going to be the same with writing, I wonder? Regardless of how good (or indeed, rubbish) we are, will women trying to break into 'true' horror (and not vampire romance novels categorised as horror by dint of their vampiric content) always be considered 'the novelty'?
  • Barb
    by Barb 2 years ago
    Mary Shelly.
    Anne Rice.

    As for women in metal, I fully agree with you. Although, I was interviewed by this site, which is helping to build the profile of women in heavy music:
    http://www.metalmaidens.com/
  • CJ
    by CJ 2 years ago
    But that's just it Barb - beyond Mary Shelly and Anne Rice (who I don't consider a true horror writer at all - have you read her dreadful re-write of Sleeping Beauty?!?), who else is there? Go to any horror section of any bookshop, and you'll be faced with almost exclusively male names. All the female 'horror' writers are actually writing Mills and Boons knock offs starring vampires (and the occasional werewolf) - which is fine (heh, I myself have written a few of those in my time!)... but I do wonder why this is?

    I found it really hard to be a woman involved in metal music. I remember sitting in our singer's bedroom once, when his mate turned up. I was about 17 or 18 at the time, and the look his mate gave me... I actually felt quite dirty, made even worse when he turned round and said 'well, I'll leave you to your honey session - I mean, your practice session". That's how I was viewed - the band's bike, only involved because she wanted to hang out with the boys. Not because I could actually *play* - oh no. Everyone knows girls can't play...
  • Barb
    by Barb 2 years ago
    It may have a bit to do with how genres are defined. Books that are considered crime or thrillers can be quite horrific and there is some strong female talent in these areas. To me the last two King books were thrillers, not really horror, but he will always be considered a horror writer, I guess.
  • CJ
    by CJ 2 years ago
    That's very true - writers such as Patricia Cornwell (that's how you spell it, isn't it?) have very strong horrific content, but are considered crime novels. I suppose horrors tend to have that fantastic / sci fi element to them... funnily enough, I was also thinking about sci fi when I wrote this (because I like to dabble in cyberpunk), and there aren't many (if any at all) female cyberpunk writers either!

    Maybe it's down to the consumer? Traditionally, the horror audience is male and so the writers are male? I don't see many men clamouring for the next Carrie Vaugn 'Kitty' novel...
  • Barb
    by Barb 2 years ago
    Ah, maybe you haven't come across Mike Gayle yet?
    http://www.mikegayle.co.uk/
  • EmmaD
    by EmmaD 2 years ago
    I don't read horror, but I should imagine that quite a few horror writers are women writing under a male name, just as quite a few romance writers are certainly men writing under female names.
  • CJ
    by CJ 2 years ago
    No, I haven't! Definitely not my cup of tea, but it's refreshing to see a male author tackling something that isn't war, guns, horror or aliens (or a mish-mash of all four).
  • CJ
    by CJ 2 years ago
    EmmaD - y'see, this is something I wondered, too. I've even considered writing under 'CJ' instead of 'Claire' so my gender isn't immediately apparent.

    Isn't it a bit of a sad reflection on our expectations as readers? (I am now also very intrigued as to who those male romance writers are... ^_^)
  • Wrathnar the Unreasonable
    Elysia: I've read your horror stuff, and I wouldn't hesitate to say that you can defly write horror! But, as you say yourself, it's of the 'cosmic' sort, with a distinct lack of blood&guts gruesomeness. I certainly can't think of any female equivalent to, say, Richard Laymon.
    Male horror writers, in addition to all the blood, pus, cerebrospinal fluid, slippery intestines and splattered brains, usually include some undercurrents of kinky sex, and/or downright perviness; while, as you say, female writers tend towards romance!
    I'm sure there are female writers who could do that sort of stuff just as well as the males, but I wonder if publishers would shy away from them because ladies aren't 'supposed' to be like that? Maybe it's a cultural prejudice?
    In my 'Moonbeast Bayou' novel, one of the characters is raped by a monster and eventually dies from gangrene of the vagina. (It's justified by the plot, honest!) What do you think of that? And does your reaction to it have any bearing on the subject we're discussing?
  • CJ
    by CJ 2 years ago
    Hehehe, Wrathy - I can do gruesome if I want to - usually in fight scenes, but there are scenes in my fanfic 'Where Darkness Resides' were people get a bit twitchy about: one scene in particular where one of the supposed good guys tortures a female enemy to get the info he wants gets an icky response. I find that if it is necessary to the plot, I can a) do it and b) stomach it. It's when it goes all gratuitous, that's when I have issues... but the same goes for sex as well as violence. And within certain genres, certain things are more acceptable (even expected) - for example, if you're reading porn, you want porn!

    As for your other question... hmmm, interesting. As a woman, that's pretty extreme - but I could fire back the same thing. If it was a bloke who had his knob flayed open by some alien entity, would that make you feel uncomfortable? It's the old 'why can a woman wander about butt naked in a film and no one bat an eyelid, but even a glimpse of a penis gives it a rock hard (ahem) R rating? A lot of horror can be considered pretty misogynistic, even mainstream stuff, like King, has a definite edge of 'women like it like that'. Remember that scene in IT when Beverly is essentially raped by her husband but still orgasmed? (for the record, I know that some rape victims do orgasm, and it's an animalistic response to danger, tied in with 'fight or flight' response. There are about 5? Fight, flight, fart (defecate), fuck, freeze... I'm sure there are more than that. Are there?) Now THAT I found offensive, because it plays into that abhorrent stereotype that all women who say no want it any way - King makes Beverly agree that she enjoyed it, but then does not explore the idea that she might have only said that to make sure she didn't receive another beating. It's a horrific scene... but one that does leave a bad taste in my mouth, only because I am pretty sure there are some sick fucks out there that saw it as a sex scene and nothing else. Maybe that is why there aren't many female horror writers? Is the genre inherently misogynistic? (Which then leads to the question 'why the hell do I like it if it is?!?!!')
  • Wrathnar the Unreasonable
    Genital mutilation would only make me uncomfortable if they were my genitals! I think horror should be horrific!

    Is horror inherently misogynistic? I don't think so. People have asked the same question about rock and metal. Certainly, some writers (and rockers) are mysoginistic, but I don't think it's a genre problem. I particularly like many Death Metal bands who are classed as 'anithuman', and I also tend to cheer for the monsters in horror. Does that make me a bad person?
  • Liss
    by Liss 2 years ago
    JK Rowling did that y'know. She deliberately wrote her name in initials so men would read her books too. x
  • CJ
    by CJ 2 years ago
    I have to admit that I actually prefer horror that makes me think. Horror that has that initial squick factor quickly loses my interest (there are only so many intestines that you can pull through a man's arsehole before it gets old, after all), but when you get the the whole 'how significant are we in this universe?' type stuff... that scares me. There's a film called 'Event Horizon' that many horror buffs dislike due to the lack of any real monster (that and the blink-and-you'll-miss-iy uber gore scene is, well, blink-and-you'll-miss-it...), but I love it for that reason. It made me think 'what did they actually experience that made them do all those terrible things to each other?', and for that reason, I hold it in high regard. I'd rather be allowed to use my own imagination over having it all spelled out for me. Gore I can take or leave, but the whole extra-dimensional, 'unknown horror' brings on insanity shit... bring it on, man!! XD
  • Wrathnar the Unreasonable
    The 'slasher' stuff does nothing for me. I love monsters; give me shoggoths over psychos every time! I guess my reading (and writing) is essentially escapist. Thought-provoking is good; I love anything with strong, original ideas. But it wouldn't be the same without the occasional pile of steaming innards!
  • Troo
    by Troo 2 years ago
    Sarah Pinborough, Allyson Bird... erm... That's it off the top of my head :)
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