Critique of a Short Story

Published by: Ele on 11th May 2012 | View all blogs by Ele
I submitted a short story to the Mslexia magazine competition and paid an additional £45 to have it professionally critiqued - GULP, today I got the results of the critique (though think the competition winner is announced next week).
Having never had anything critiqued before (I've been too much of a wimp to post anything on here - except briefly to Lou who, incidentally, pin-pointed the same 'problem' as this critiquing person!  If only I'd shown Lou, and probably all you Cloudies before I submitted...  Lesson learned!)
Anyway, I thought I'd share the basic layout of the critique I received (although it's obviously very specific to my story) so that other writers scared of critiques on their work might feel less afraid.

So, it begins with General Comments (which is most of the critique):

"This is a highly imagined and well-rendered evocation of a teenager in break down and (for a person who in the narrative can't communicate) uses metaphors as concepts of reality..."  So basically outlines the plot!

"The narrative is rendered here in a highly personal and idiosyncratic way as universal experience.  At another level it also bespeaks a quality of isolation and distancing that marks anybody - not just teenagers - in the process of breakdown.  In this it raises the literary quality of this piece of writing..."  So comments about writing style and suggested audience.  Was chuffed by this comment!!

"You are explicit about your literary intentions: 'Time was a train, a speed train, an express'.  I wonder if you need to express this explicity as what comes after shows us how this metaphor is working.  I think 'the rest of your life platform' is a great culmination to the chunky metaphor that is this paragraph..."  Less is more...

"It is telling when you range around these metaphoric notions then come back to earth with 'and I still haven't done any sewing'..."  Not sure what 'telling' means - any ideas?

"You use the sense of sight to great effect.  'It's distracting.  Red crayon like sickeningly bright blood, is dribbling down her chin.'  NB I think this would be even more powerful if you lost the adverb sickeningly..."  Bloody adverbs!

"Nettie's hypersensitive sense of taste is used very well here: '...water...a familiar tang of metal hits my mouth'  And: 'Water looks clear but smells bad, like my palm when I've held change too long'.  Then in one wonderful phrase you manage to combine taste and sound..."  Enjoying the compliments but the negative is coming!

"We see her degenerating into total isolation and further and further into disabling paranoia.  I would render this without capitals.  The words themselves have sufficient power..."  This comment was made by Lou (thanks Lou - sorry you saw it after I submitted the story!)  I used capitals when she (the narrator) wanted to emphasise a feeling.  It clearly was a bad choice as she repeats later in the critique.

"And you need to use explanation marks much more sparingly: 'They'll kill us, Nettie... They've sent snipers in helicopters...  They're outside the door...'  Explanation marks reduce the power of the meaning of the words..."  This comment is really very helpful to me as I had no idea I did that!  Clearly, when she quotes me, I do it too much.

"You as the writer, by using all the senses - aural, oral, sound and smell - is very cleverly into the mind of this girl; we hear what she hears, we see what she sees... Through this sick girl's rendering we share the parents' despair.  Very good writing..."  Phew!

Then the heading reads Publication:
"A highly commended piece of writing.  This story would be suitable for the higher quality small magazines or could be one story in a collection to reflect the writer's range.  It could also be at the core of a very interesting novel..."  Wow, it is at the core of a (hopefully very interesting!) novel!!

Then Presentation / Layout:
The layout and syntax here is fine and the language is accomplished.  But I do have reservation about the the use of different typefaces.  I had thought that the use of different typefaces here would be viable but on re-reading I have changed my mind.  I think particularly the use of upper-case typeface becomes irritating and distracting.  The words are - and should be - powerful enough..."  OK

Finally the bizarre bit Any Other Comments:
"I have a personal problem with the name Nettie.  It looks terribly old-fashioned here.  And in my part of the world it is a slang name for an outside toilet..."  Excuse me?  Where in the world does this person live?!

Anyway, overall am pleased but totally kicking myself for not posting this story on the Cloud first!  Hope it's of use to any of you Cloudies as it's been a great help to me.


Comments

31 Comments

  • Bren
    by Bren 1 year ago
    I find it a very good and helpful critique. They have given you quite a lot of positive in amongst the suggestions for change. Was this all you had back? My critique was 8 pages and I was quite deflated but having just finished the book (after making the suggested changes) and people are reading it - it was worthwhile.
    It is hard to recieve criticsm and we take it very personally. If I had loads of money I would send my writing out for lots of critiques. (I am more open to advice then I was in the early days) not so precious about my work.
    I often kick myself for not posting to cloudies first as they give such a lot of positive and informative help.
    Do you feel this person was wrong in what she said? Or do you agree?
    I find it is a good idea to put it away for a while and work on something else and look later.
    I put mine away for ten years!!
  • Bren
    by Bren 1 year ago
    I am not suggesting that you wait that long!! :)
  • Bren
    by Bren 1 year ago
    Sorry about typso and grammar I am sneaking on here when I should be doing 101 other things x
  • Ele
    by Ele 1 year ago
    Don't worry about your typos - the critiquer had loads of them!
    There was more in the general comments but they seemd to basically reaffirm what my story was about. It was only two sides of A4 for general comment with those other headings at the end.
    Am not disheartened as I think they were good points and overall it felt positive. I would strongly urge anyone who's not had their work critiqued before to do it - maybe just a short story as it is at least cheaper than a whole novel. Was two sides of A4 worth £45? For me I'd say yes.
  • Tony
    by Tony 1 year ago
    That made interesting reading. Thanks for posting, Ele
  • Lou
    by Lou 1 year ago
    Hi Ele, that's a pretty positive critique wouldn't you say? I think professional critiques are absolutely worth their weight in gold, as long as you are thick skinned and very prepared to take comments on board. They can really pin point what works and what doesn't and if you are honest with yourself, you can see your writing more clearly after the critique. I found I had to read my novel critique many times before it all sank in.
    Well done Ele, sounds like you have a great story on your hands, keep at it, would love to see more of it on here :)
  • Jen
    by Jen 1 year ago
    Ele, that's a great critique. I found it really intresting, especially since the story I put into this comp is so similar - it was written from the perspective of a manic depressive mother! and like you I messed around with the formatting, I used italics when it was stuff she was saying in her head (so now I know its not the best idea!). Have you posted this story on here? would love to read it. I'm going to post mine up for critique soon!
  • Jen
    by Jen 1 year ago
    Ummm... Ele.. why not make the changes to the story (if you agree with the critique) and put it into the Fish short story comp (date to be announced) if you don't win the Myslexia?? it sounds like it's too good to just sit in a draw at home!
  • Ele
    by Ele 1 year ago
    If the competition doesn't 'mind' it having been entered in a comp before, I'll give it a whirl! Will take a look at Fish. Mental illness is an interesting subject, Jen. I'd love to read your take on it.
  • Jen
    by Jen 1 year ago
    I don't think they do... has long has it's not published. I might do the same for my story - it was so rushed that I'd quite like to have another go at it and put it in. Yes, your right, mental illness it is an intresting subject and you can do so much with it! I don't know if I did it justice to be honest...my bridport story is about how a traumatic event can wreck havoc with your sense of time so next thing I do is going to be very light! have you put up the story you got the critique on up here?
  • Bren
    by Bren 1 year ago
    I was thinking along the same lines as Jen, it is a pity to put it in a drawer. As long as it isn't an award winner you can enter it in another competition. Good luck.
  • Alanboy
    by Alanboy 1 year ago
    Whole-work critiques are vital if you're going to progress. Anyone who is scared is simply hiding their head in the sand - unless that person is writing purely for fun, of course.
  • Ele
    by Ele 1 year ago
    It's good to know that stories submitted in one competition can be submitted in another - thanks Jen and Bren! The likelihood of winning is highly remote!
    What I've found unexpected, Alanboy, about the critique is how freshly motivated it's made me. I'd got a little stuck with the novel I was working on but have had ideas buzzing round my head all night.
  • JonB
    by JonB 1 year ago
    Thanks for posting the critique Ele and pleased to learn it's motivated you more- interesting comments and good positives. Don't be afraid to post on the 'Cloud' though- I'm hopeless at critique but get great benefit reading comments from those far better at it than me!
  • Ele
    by Ele 1 year ago
    I'm horribly over-sensitive, JonB, which is why I've delayed posting! I was the same about putting my paintings into exhibitions. But I've got used to that now so I guess it is a case of practice. The critiques from Cloudies I've read seem to be on the whole helpful.
    Have taken the plunge and posted this story... Be kind, Cloudies!!!
  • Alanboy
    by Alanboy 1 year ago
    I can only speak for myself, but when I had a critique - very professionally done by WW - it annoyed me (to the point of self-flagellation) that I had submitted a work that ought to have been much better. Some of the points raised were all-too-obvious.
    Of course, that is the negative; the positive was getting guidance to put things right that I wasn't really aware were mistakes. And, yes, Ele, it motivated me, too.
  • Jen
    by Jen 1 year ago
    ps Ele, I've just read it and I would say the standard was very similar to previous winners stories so you have every chance. Also - it's just subjective isn't it? what kind of story and writing style the judge is looking for? you never know is all I'm saying :)
  • EmmaD
    by EmmaD 1 year ago
    Good crit of what's obviously a really original and interesting story - highlights both what's right and what's wrong, and some things that make you go "duh!" and some you've never thought of but which make sense.

    "Not sure what 'telling' means - any ideas?"

    I think it's Telling as in revealing in a subtle way. As in "It's very telling that although he says he loves her, he doesn't bother to go to her graduation". A Good Thing, in other words.

    "Nettie" - I think it might be Australian - an alternative to dunny. If not, I think it might be Geordie. I've definitely heard it for outside toilet somewhere...
  • Lou
    by Lou 1 year ago
    Hi Jen, Ele, competitions are very subjective. I think so much depends on the judge(s) tastes. Some say that competitions are a waste of time and money because it is such a lottery. I must admit I don't enter many but every now and then I'll try a Mslexia comp if I have something floating around. I've entered my novel into the Lucy Cavendish fiction prize, and I did enter the Mslexia novel comp, that cost £25 which I thought was a bit steep, I won't pay that much to enter anything again. I think competitions can be useful though, in that you have a deadline to work to, you might get placed, and it gives you confidence as a writer if you do get placed, and no real harm done if you don't (apart from the hole in your purse) :)
  • Ele
    by Ele 1 year ago
    I googled it, EmmaD, and it is a Tyne word for outside loo - Nettie from neccessity! I actually like that (not the loo connotation but the neccessity one!) so plan to keep the name. I can't hear her with any other name. Thanks for the 'telling' - think that sounds OK. Is her use of words quite typical for a critique? All the 'rendering' made me feel I was at an art class!
    Lou, I agree that entering comps is an expensive business - I enter painting comps too. For me, competitions give boundaries and something to aim for. Motivation, I suppose. I don't ever enter an art competition thinking I might win, just like I didn't with the Mslexia. It's just a good way to get work seen. Anyhting else is bonus!
  • EmmaD
    by EmmaD 1 year ago
    It is Geordie, then! (Which I guess might have been exported to Oz on a convict ship or two, of course...)

    "Is her use of words quite typical for a critique? " - it is fairly typical, I'd say, though it varies a lot - I'm at the chatty and informal end of the spectrum, and my critiquing voice is much like that of my blog, but others are more formal.

    Meant to say, I think it was a very good idea to get a critique, because it can really help to give you a steer on how your writing reads to the sort of people who will be judging you and editing little literary mags and that sort of thing... Also, even if you don't get anywhere in the comp, it means you do take something away which is of value.

    I did just the same with two stories when I first staring entering competitions, and it was the first time ever that someone I didn't know (as opposed to peers and teachers) had ever responded to my work at all, so it was daunting but also very good for my confidence: having someone say in effect, "Yes, I get what you're doing", even with reservations, is energising like few other things.
  • SecretSpi
    by SecretSpi 1 year ago
    You're amazing - you say that you're too much of a wimp to post work on here, then you go ahead and post a professional critique, which I personally find much more nerve-wracking! But it's great that you've done so as it is both fascinating and inspiring for other writers - so, thank you! I'm pleased that it's motivated and inspired you to revisit and extend your story.
  • Ele
    by Ele 1 year ago
    Showing someone else's opinion is less scary than showing my own! Also, I had no idea what to expect from the critique (and was extremely nervous reading it!) so wanted to show other writers that it is worth doing and not that awful.
  • Tia
    by Tia 1 year ago
    I am personally terrified of having a critique done. You have guts girl. :) and an awesome critique to be sure.
  • JonB
    by JonB 1 year ago
    I can understand why EmmaD would think dunny is an Australian word- I did too, it's what they call the toilet on 'I'm a Celebrity ......' (I don't normally watch it, honest!) . Ant & Dec clearly took the term across there.
    Pleased you have decided to post the story but couldn't see it on the forum?
  • Alanboy
    by Alanboy 1 year ago
    I have an Aussie character who uses 'dunny' (the fact he uses it for his hotel bathroom is neither here nor there). I got it from a website of Aussie slang, but wasn't aware of its roots.

    I have to say 'Nettie' conjures up an image of an older lady. Hairnet? Ena Sharples? Remember her?
  • Ele
    by Ele 1 year ago
    Well, old-fashioned names have made quite a come back - I know several Elsie's, Stanley's and Bert's. But (however big an adjustment it will be for me - like renaming your cat, I feel) I will rename her. Nettie seems to have one too many things against her!
  • Ele
    by Ele 1 year ago
    P.S. Have gone for Millie. Fingers crossed that Millie isn't another word for toilet...
  • Alanboy
    by Alanboy 1 year ago
    Ele.
    I'm not sure you should. Nettie is your creation. If her name is right for you, then stick with it. Making changes based on professional advice is one thing, but character names are purely personal.
    Anyway, in a straight choice, I would choose Millie. I hope the name doesn't carry unwanted baggage.
  • Mcallan
    by Mcallan 1 year ago
    This is brilliant Ele and well done for posting. I can confirm what everyone see's to know by now that up in my neck of the woods nettie is an ouside loo! I like the name...but you do what you feel is right. Millie works too...and don't think it means anything sinister!
  • Ele
    by Ele 1 year ago
    Ah, if only I'd realised Mslexia is based in the Tyne and got you to read my story, Mcallan... I've just reread my story with Millie as the name and quite like it. The story is part of a bigger novel and changing her name is quite an adjustment for my brain but one I think I'll make, Alanboy. I can't alienate the whole of the Northeast with a bad choice of name! What's in a name, after all (heard that one somewhere...)
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