Fear and Loathing in Las Portsmouth

Published by: CJ on 29th Sep 2010 | View all blogs by CJ

Without the road trip and psychedelics, though!

As some of you know, a couple of weeks ago, I finished the first draft of my novel. I'm leaving it to rest at the moment and trying to get on with other projects in the mean time, but I'm hoping that, within 6 months, I shall have something that is worth sending out to agents. We'll see how it goes.

This bit, I'm actually looking forward to. I'm quite looking forward to the revising and the tweaking and the editing, to meeting my characters again and perfecting the world they live in and the tales they have to tell.

What I am not looking forward to is the bit that comes after that. And with it comes a bit of a confession:

The publishing industry terrifies me.

Not so much the rejection or the negative critiques - I'm not looking forward to this inevitable part of the process, but that doesn't scare me. What does scare me is just getting started in the first place.

It all seems such an impenetrable miasma of 'do this' and 'don't do this', of warnings and scams. Just finding the agents I wish to send off queries to in the first place is mortifyingly complicated. And that's before I've even considered trying to write the query letter (which, if I am honest, probably daunts me more than writing the damn novel). Even though I am pretty happy with my story and have confidence in it (heh, someone has to!) I'm not great at selling myself and find the idea of having to essentially say 'hey, look what I've done - isn't it fantastic?' quite petrifying (and more than a little distasteful - one has been taught, in the proper British manner, not to crow about one's perceived accomplishments). Not because of their possible responses (I have resigned myself to the reality of huge amounts of rejection), but just... just... why does everything have to be so horribly complicated? It's so intimidating, it's unreal!

Although, that might be the point - only those who really want it would bother putting themselves through it...

Comments

21 Comments

  • Liss
    by Liss 1 year ago
    I'm the same, or I would be if I had stuck with my original MS and not decided to rewrite the entire thing..
  • karen
    by karen 1 year ago
    I'm terrified by the prospect of getting to that point too. I've been enjoying writing but I'm almost dreading getting to the end which means having to a) go back and re-write vast chunks (probably) and b) getting to THAT point, once I've trawled through the W & A Yearbook to find appropriate agents, of writing THAT letter................don't forget to blog and let us know how you get on, once you get there!
  • Natalie James (Tors)
    by Natalie James (Tors) 1 year ago
    You need Harrys new book! Don't panic about the publishing point just yet you need to get your MS super shiny first.
  • EmmaD
    by EmmaD 1 year ago
    Yes, it's so hard - so un-British, and always that lurking terror that you're making a fool of yourself or being obnoxious.

    I think it helps a little to separate out your living breathing self, from what you're trying to sell. (This is also extremely good practice for how to cope when you do get published.) Think not 'I must tell the world this is wonderful', but 'What does the agent want to know?' That means thinking "How would an AGENT sell me and my book?", and then explaining how. Put agently glasses on (and yes, Harry's book is just the thing) and try to see it through their eyes. Better still, get others who've read the book to tell you. Imagine writing the blurb on the back of a book which just happens to be by a certain person who happens to share your name and story: what would you say to lure people in? and so on.
  • Bren
    by Bren 1 year ago
    Yes, Elysia THAT letter is daunting. I have recently pulled a few out of junk piles, those I wrote when I was innocent, before the internet arrived, and wondered what I was thinking.
    Now I am reading a book that descibes how to write the letters and blurb. The advice is for non fiction.
    You say, 'not so much the rejection or negative critiques'. But are you sure that is not part of it?
    I feel it is the hard part, as it is ourselves we are presenting and not our characters. Also we have to say that we are unpublished, and that is not a good way to start.
    I am so bad at writing the letters and synopsis that the 3 manuscripts stay on the floor in a pile.
    I am sorry you feel that way but thank you for sharing.
  • Gerry
    by Gerry 1 year ago
    Quite agree Elysia, although oddly, I'm quite happy to do it for other people. Indeed, I learnt quite a lot from trying (albeit unsuccessfully) to help a couple of others through the process.

    So there you are. Be Mistress Elysia's pal. See what you can do for the poor soul. (She sounds a deserving case.)
  • MinxieAD
    by MinxieAD 1 year ago
    It is daunting! I had a report prepared on mine, have edited and it has been ready to send off for months ! I just don't seem to be able to do it to myself ?

    To even worry about the letter you send to accompany your work says it all?

    I suppose you just have to put it all aside and remember that you have a novel that will bring enjoyment to people, and a whole world that deserves to be shared - that way you're doing it for 'them', not just yourself.
  • Gerilyn
    by Gerilyn 1 year ago
    I am sure you will be fine- how could you not be?! If you write half as good as you draw you will get an agen-fact! Also- it's good that it scares you. That's what life should be about 'do something that scares you- every day.' It's good to be nervous- it means you care and you're not arogant. Let your story speak for itself. I have faith. P.S when you get yours published you can tell me how you did it for when I send mine out.
  • norman normington
    by norman normington 1 year ago
    Its a journey, that's all, quite a few wrong turns, few cul de sacs, time spent looking at an upside down map, maybe even retracing your steps and I bet loads of "Bloody Hell, I have had enough of this I'm going back!"
    If you think it is ready then it probably is and sod the rest of em, just keep a few melons and parsnips handy (See Steves blog)
  • Steve
    by Steve 1 year ago
    If it was easy to get published, any old sod would do it, and the world would be full of rubbish literatu... hang on... no, seriously, the feeling of achievement when you finally get there will be worth all the effort and nail-biting. To know what it feels like to stand on the highest mountain, you have to have been in the deepest valley.
  • CJ
    by CJ 1 year ago
    Thanks for all your comments, guys - never a truer word spoken in jest, as they say! The thing is, the rejection thing truly isn't it right now - it's simply finding the agents in the first place. Have you seen the length of the threads on the Warnings and Beware forum on AbsoluteWrite? Some of them are *massive*!! I did an agent search online and it came back with so many possible people, I ran off in the other direction in utter terror - how the hell does one make any kind of sense of any of this?! Getting back the rejections in a way is the easy bit - you know that's going to happen, one way or the other. But even that's a few rungs up from where I am right now - right now, I can't see the wood for the trees. People go on about how important a good query is, and if you balls that up, no matter how good your book is, you're screwed - and query letters seem to have as many - if not more - dos and don'ts attached to them than writing a novel does. Then there seem to be hundreds of scammers out there, just wanting to rip you off (even ones in the A&W Yearbook, if some of the threads I have read are to be believed) from publishers to agents - and then there's finding the agents that represent your genre etc, agents that are only willing to take in submissions when there is an R in the month, agents who only take emails, agents who only take snail mail, agents who want it written on the back of a pigeon, but only in comic sans font, agents who will chuck out your query if one part of your formatting is out... I'm not kidding when I say formatting gives me the severe collywobbles - in all the years I have been using a computer, I've never had to format anything in my life! I just use the defaults and type away, sticking in 1.5 spacing when appropriate... that alone is enough to make me run away, screaming. It's just all so... big. It's almost as if getting the novel ready is the tiniest bit of the whole process...
  • Steve
    by Steve 1 year ago
    10% inspiration, 90% perspiration.

    I hear you about the hoop-jumping that agents and publishers put us writers through. I think they're sadistic bastards.
  • CJ
    by CJ 1 year ago
    Hoops of fire, no less - if you fail one, you BURN, no matter how innocent your mistake. It's horrible!
  • Steve
    by Steve 1 year ago
    I've heard it on good authority (like from the EmmaD-type) that some of those hoops of fire don't have to be jumped through. Some of the rules can be broken, but I'm not certain about which ones definitely or at which agencies.
  • CJ
    by CJ 1 year ago
    I'm sure you're right, Steve - I do wonder sometimes if a lot of these agent horror-stories are like the writing equivalent of camp-fire tales told around forums by aspiring unpublished authors to scare the noobs (like me!). Problem is, I don;t want to be the one who tests this theory, just in case I am horribly wrong!

    I'm sure that a clear head and a logical approach will win out, but right now it's all so nebulous and alien to me - which I suppose can apply to anything when you're the outsider looking in.
  • Steve
    by Steve 1 year ago
    You've demonstrated in this blog that you are not really a newb. You know more than the majority of so-called writers out there who have spoiled it for the rest of us, by submitting their 427,000-word epic "All about me" on pink-scented notepaper in 36-point purple curly handwriting font. That's probably what's forced the agents to have strict guidelines.
  • EmmaD
    by EmmaD 1 year ago
    One thing to remember is that on one hand agents do have individual preferences, which aren't sadism but simply about how they, personally work best. It's annoying that one size doesn't quite fit all, but so be it. And don't ever take advice on board without checking if it's a UK or a US agent...

    And there are things (perhaps unfairly) which experience has shown them are usually a marker of a useless book - green ink, incompetence with commas, waking-up-with-a-hangover openings, or whatever. Maybe you have excellent reasons for doing any or all of these things, but I think it's worth knowing about things which, unfairly, may mean your MS starting off on the back foot. Is there another way to do what you want to do?

    I wouldn't personally bother with any agent who isn't in WAAYB, (unless you know of them through a book trade friend say: there are some good agents who are happy with their client list and don't want to deal with slush, getting enough new clients to make up for the ones who die or stop selling by that route.). In the first trawl for agents the internet is not your friend, a) because there's so much that it's completely boggling, b) because the people who come up are the people who spend most on advertising, which tends not to be the legit agents, who don't need to. Their website is for information, not marketing.

    And THEN the internet becomes your friend, because when you've made a shortlist you can check their individual and more up-to-date requirements. And if they're not an agency you've already heard of or you know good authors are represented by, you can check them out on Preditors and Editors. Certainly in the UK the number of legit agents is not unmanageably huge, by the time you've ruled out the ones who don't represent what you write.

    And, ultimately, you have to remember that although agents have individual preferences, and although they are alert to what have become the markers of books/writers they don't want, they also passionately don't want to miss the Next Big Thing: the fact that they know that 99.99% of the slush pile is no good and therefore approach it in that spirit, is in eternal tension with the fact that the next piece in the pile might be Harry Potter. So don't get wound up on the details, follow basic advice about presentation, be sensible but not obsessive about who you send to, and get stuff out there, and go back and start Chapter One of your next novel.

    I think much of many writer's agony over this stuff is actually the deep, deep terror of being judged. Your whole life can trickle away, trying to pre-empt the horrifying possibility that someone will think you Haven't Got It Right: the whole X-factor phenomenon is predicated on playing with our terror/fascination with being judged. But whatever minor idocy you commit, someone has done before, and quite possibly someone who the agent then took on. And what's more, you're not looking them in the eye, they're not your spouse, they're not your teacher - hell, they don't know any more than your name, and you don't have to tell a soul back home what happened if you don't want to. Be brave.

    Oh, and write an absolutely stonking book. In the end, that's what will mean you get picked up, sooner or later. It's easy to forget that bit.
  • Caducean Whisks
    by Caducean Whisks 1 year ago
    I sympathise, but the only way to get over it is to hold your nose and jump in. When I first set out to make my short-list, like you I was overwhelmed; so I came at it from a different angle - I thought of writers I like and would love to be compared to, found out who their agents were, and long-listed them for further scrutiny. If a google search doesn't throw up who the agent is, then look in the "acknowledgements" section of one of their books - they often thank their agent. I was also frightened of "wasting" the good agents with a rubbish submission (which I could have done better if I'd known more) - then I realised that there are hundreds of agents. Sending out six submissions is surprisingly time-consuming; when you've studied the specific requirements of each, put the right one in the right envelope (one of my horrors - getting that wrong), you'll have learned so much more. Then if you've stuffed up? So? Take your new-found knowledge and try another batch. Just do it.
  • Rebecca Holmes
    by Rebecca Holmes 1 year ago
    This is just the sort of advice we relish, Emma - practical nuts-and-bolts, combined with logic and common sense that it's all too easy to lose sight of. Cheers!
  • Debi
    by Debi 1 year ago
    Have nothing to add to Emma's excellent advice re which agents to choose. Rank your list in order, starting with the dream agents. And don't bother including any that say they don't accept unsolicited MSes. But DO bother submitting according to their guidelines ie if they just ask for a letter, don't go sending the full MS etc.

    Send out in batches of 5. If (!) you get a rejection, send it straight off to the next one on the list. Meanwhile, try to concentrate on the part of this process you do have control over ie the next piece of writing. If you get about 20 form rejections that are not personalised and have no feedback at all, this is a sign that something fundamental is probably not right. At that point, you may choose to seek editorial feedback. If just one says they don't like a particular aspect, don't rewrite on the basis of one person's opinion. If OTOH more than one says the same, it makes sense to take that on board and consider redrafting before you pitch further.

    The current received wisdom is that your list should have 60 agents on it. (I know that's shocking and daunting.) If you get 'positive' rejections that indicate no particular consensus, it seems you may just not have arrived on the right desk at the right time, so it makes sense to keep on working through that list. Try to see each one as bringing you closer to the one who will eventually say 'yay'.

    The covering letter needs to include reasons for them being interested (your hook) as well as NOT giving them reasons for rejecting you. Don't include things like 'I believe I have a commercial product' or 'My writing is visual and well-paced'. Show, not tell, even in a letter. They will want to make these judgements themselves based on the content. Do include a brief pitch for the concept (hook) and some details about yourself including any relevant publishing experience. If you don't have any, you can just say this is your first novel and you're working on another. Above all, keep it brief and to the point. You don't want to give the impression you don't know what's important, even in a letter. And remember, good writing always. No typos, spelling/grammar errors etc.

    It's really, really hard to have to sell yourself in this way - and to find the time and energy to keep going. But having written the book, you owe it to yourself and your creation to at least give it its best chance of being picked up. Good luck!
  • John Taylor
    by John Taylor 1 year ago
    I'm right with you in that little corner cowering before all the information, Mistress E. I'm proud of my book, or I wouldn't have stuck with it so long, and I'm bursting with ideas for more. But getting started, when there is so much advice and information sends the shivers up me. Thank you, Emma, Debi and Harry for breaking down the wall of information for us. But it's still a scary place to be.
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