Gosh, we're a hateful lot, us writers.

Published by: Elysia on 31st Aug 2010 | View all blogs by Elysia

I've been floating around various writing sites these past few years, and one thing that never fails to bring on a full-blown attack of the self loathings than those 'what are you sick of in *insert genre / audience* here' threads. I've just read another one (I am a glutton for punishment) where people are whining about hating the theme of destiny in fantasy.

Okay, it is an overdone theme - yes, I'll give you that. It can be used as a crutch to get the protagonists where the author wants them to be... but what's the harm if it's well written?

So far, I've clocked up people claiming to be sick of the following things (bear in mind, I write fantasy, horror and sci fi, so my examples are derived from those genres): Destiny as a theme, vampires, werewolves, love triangles, love triangles involving werewolves and vampires (granted, that one has been done to death recently...), sex scenes, describing facial expression, quests, the 'violent beginning / swearing revenge' as a theme, anti heroes, stoic characters, damsel in distress (damsel can be male or female), dragons, faeries, cybertech, using jack points for cybertech, the Singularity, dystopian themes, too many female protagonists (mainly in urban fantasy), inter species romances, romance in general, hurt / comfort, dreams (especially prophetic ones, nightmares, waking up as a beginning, prologues in general, normal person finds out they aren't normal after all, normal person discovered secret world and gets involved...

And this is just what I can list off the top of my head!

I'm not saying I don't agree with some of them. I'm not saying people don't have the right to dislike certain themes. But, oi vay, the negativity that abounds! I'm surprised we get *anything* done, considering how much we supposedly hate!  Absolutely everything and anything that has proven vaguely popular in the last  X amount of years (where X stands for the amount of vitriolic bile people spew about it - in terms of Twilight, I think that's going to be for the next thousand years or so...) is hated upon with impunity, and what makes it even worse is that the validity of people even thinking about including these themes is often brought into question (often without the questioners ever reading the said story, or even a clip of it) - after all, how can you possibly construct a good story around such blatant hackneyed, tired crap?

It also makes me wonder:  if they are hated so much, if they are so tired and so hackneyed, why do these themes keep reoccurring? And not just once, but over and over again?

Take writers out of the equation, and just stick to readers. That's readers who do not write. Ask those readers what they think of those themes, and they will almost universally say 'yeah, I really like that. That was good / fun / epic / disturbing' etc. The reason these themes keep reoccurring is because on the whole people like them. 

As writers, we probably dissect what we're reading more than people who don't write, so I expect we recognise reoccurring themes and ideas more than someone who is, for example, just reading for fun. (And I do wonder if some of this 'I'm really sick of XYZ' is sometimes 'DAMN! I wish I thought of that...')

So, why the blog? Because I know my book is chock FULL of these 'I'm sick if it all' themes. I used to worry massively about this. I used to deliberately try to make sure I wasn't including themes that had been singled out by these people. And guess what? I stopped enjoying writing.

Now? Bugger it. Here comes the cliche train, and I am riding it all the way. Why? Because, my dear friends, despite my story including destiny, revenge, anti heroes, dragons, romance, a female protagonist, a 'normal person finds out she isn't normal after all', alternate realities and dreams all in one tidy packet (I'm sure that's enough to give some of the 'sick if it all' brigade an aneurysm of some kind), I'm *enjoying* creating my tale. I'm enjoying putting it all together and finding out what happens to these created people. If I get to share it with others and they enjoy it too, then, well, that's just an added bonus.

And isn't that what it's all about in the end?

*skips off merrily to write more nonsense about chips in a fantasy setting and socks on a swordsman... because she can. Who cares if it doesn't survive the editing process? Right now, it feels good! Ner ner de ner ner!!*

Comments

12 Comments

  • Liss
    by Liss 1 year ago
    Good for you Elz! I think that most of the time, the only reason we whine about "cliches" is because someone has used them badly. If someone uses them well and it's an enjoyable read then it doesn't matter!

    Plus, technically every plotline is a cliche, because (for example) in one of my stories, if the protagonist gets with the good looking guy then it's "predictable" etc, but if she DOESN'T, then it's "disappointing."

    You can't win! So we might as well write what makes us happy, I know for me personally I'm working on a vamp side project, because I know it's been overdone, but I realised that shouldn't stop me from writing about it! People are either such Twi-hards that they refuse to read any other vamp fiction or they hate Twilight and cut off their nose with any other remotely vamp-related fiction. It's a bugger really, but oh wellz.

    x
  • Wrathnar the Unreasonable
    I reckon you could always find someone who hates any particular thing, and also someone who likes it. You can't please 'em all!
  • Gerilyn
    by Gerilyn 1 year ago
    Well most of the plot for my book is in that list somewhere. But I don't care because I'm enjoying writing my story. If it never gets published 'because everyone is sick of that storyline' then I'll write another and another. The absolute dream would be to get published- but it is only a dream for me- if it never happens I'll stick to my day job and continue to write my lovely fantasy crap!!
  • Bradwyn
    by Bradwyn 1 year ago
    I think wrath has hit it on the head. No matter what you are writing, the theme has been done before. so with that in mind, i'll write what i want to write, and bugger the rest that say its not worth writing something that's been done before. If my story isn't good enough to publish then so be it.
  • zomb00
    by zomb00 1 year ago
    I might write a teen vampire romance novel, where the protagonist has to choose between a dreamy vampire or a werewolf hunk . . .
  • Liss
    by Liss 1 year ago
    That was my idea!
  • Gerry
    by Gerry 1 year ago
    An interesting book to dip into is 'The Seven Basic Plots' by Christopher Booker, because, if there are only seven of them, why worry about repetition? Did Shakespeare? No, he just nicked other people's stories and did them better. Go, Mistress E - your only worry is getting onto the G.C.S.E. syllabus and annoying millions of schoolkids!
  • Kiki
    by Kiki 1 year ago
    Mistress E you are so right and just! Sod what these miserable T.W.A.T.S say. There will always be poeple that hate your work, put you down, hate your genre, don't like your face or the way you speak! etc etc. As a writer you have to be pretty thick skinned and determined. I never read these sites and if I come across a negative bitchy blog I block it (teehee, my revenge) sometimes I even report them as psam so that they are deleted (mwah ha ha ha ha). You will succeed if you have a fab story / characters. I've lost count of how many vampire books I have read over the years and i'm still not bored of them. You have the right attitude lady! :)
  • Elysia
    by Elysia 1 year ago
    ^^D It's something I noticed a long time ago (when I was writing for different things and in different contexts), and today it just got me thinking 'surely, as long as you execute it well, does it matter if the theme has been done before?'. So, Zomb00, in your attempt at sarcasm, you have actually proved my point - of you have such a tale, then why not write it any way? If it speaks to you, then go for it - at the end of the day, you never know...

    A lot of the hate does come of as elitism - Wrathy will probably know what I mean by this, but it kind of reminds me when you get a bunch of people together (especially metalheads) who then go on this big old 'who likes the most obscure band' pissing contest. It seems to be the same with writing - who can be disdainful of the most popular themes in one go?

    Shakespeare is a very good example, Gerry - after all, Romeo and Juliet was simply a rip off of an earlier poem, called Romeo and Juiletta - hell, he didn't even change the bloody title! And how many times did he essentially recylce the same plot, even within his own plays?

    When it comes down to it, it's the execution, NOT the theme that sets a tale head and shoulders above the rest; conversely, you may have the most original ideas in the entire universe, but if you can't write, it's still going to be crap no matter how inventive you are...
  • karen
    by karen 1 year ago
    To all you vampire/fantasy/sci fi writers - I'm jealous because my brain just doesn't work in those realms and I have to stick to real life stuff but you're right, the same old cliches go round and round and sometimes they're used to perfection, sometimes they just make you reach for the sick bag. I have read a lot of 'love' stories (stop yawning), some contempory, some historical, some crap, some brilliant but they all have a different story to tell, every single one and I guess the same goes for fantasy/vampire/sci-fi - there will always be a story to tell - so guys - let's just keep writing and writing the best we can!
  • Green polka
    by Green polka 1 year ago
    If you have a burning story to tell, then that is the only thing that counts - stay focused and write well, that's it! There is no debate, no matter what your passion is. The same clichés can even be applied to real life, and we are all still unique individuals? There is no credibility to this at all.
  • Tors
    by Tors 1 year ago
    Oh eck! I'm screwed too Mistress E.

    I was reading through your list and mentally ticking off all I have included. I'd love to read a book that didn't include any of them...actually I wouldn't. They'd be no story left, especially in the genre we write in.
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