I can't find the thread on agents hating novels which start with someone waking up

Published by: EmmaD on 25th Jun 2010 | View all blogs by EmmaD
So I can't post the link to a piece I've just put on my own blog. So I'm putting the link here, instead, with thanks to whoever started the original thread, and apologies for not being able to credit you:

http://emmadarwin.typepad.com/thisitchofwriting/2010/06/wake-up-and-rewrite.html

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10 Comments

  • kd
    by kd 1 year ago
    Is this it? http://www.thewordcloud.org/forum/topic/2227
  • EmmaD
    by EmmaD 1 year ago
    KD, thank you, that was one of them, but I think there was another, more recently, where someone had posted the opening of their novel, which was a waking-up opening.
  • Gerry
    by Gerry 1 year ago
    The equivalent for schoolteachers is the sequence of duvet, bleary eyes, toothbrush (occasionally put through hair), hairbrush (occasionally applied to teeth), corn flakes, annoying little sister/brother, look at watch, eek - and, oh dear, run out of time, can't get onto the proper story.
  • Weens
    by Weens 1 year ago
    Emma, do agents really have a thing about prologues, and if so, why? I have written a prologue that depicts an event that explains why everything that follows happens, and chapter one starts three years later. Should I make the prologue chapter one, if prologues are such a no no?
  • Aonghus Fallon
    by Aonghus Fallon 1 year ago
    Ouch. Just realised my Magnum Opus starts with a dream sequence (the character imagining he's already going out with a girl he is only on speaking terms with) then has him wake up to realise this is not so. AND he's got a hang-over.
  • Barb
    by Barb 1 year ago
    This article on prologues has a lot of useful, well set out information:
    http://www.writing-world.com/fiction/prologue.shtml

    Aonghus, have you considered keeping the dream sequence but telling the reader that the character is dreaming? Just a thought.
  • Aonghus Fallon
    by Aonghus Fallon 1 year ago
    I do say as much in the actual piece, Barb. Emma pointed out that a character lying on his/her back is dramatically inert, but in this case I am setting up a predicament - the disparity between the character's fantasy life and the reality - which is crucial to that section of the story.
  • EmmaD
    by EmmaD 1 year ago
    Well a character lying on their back isn't inevitably dramatically inert, as Metamorphosis demonstrates so clearly. But, postentially, it is, since it's about stasis, not change. What I was really getting at in that blog is that the reader needs to know what the instability of the situation is, very fast. Obviously it depends entirely on the piece concerned - and, indeed, whether the dream is compelling reading in itself - but the contrast between the dream and the reality he wakes to may be depressing or intriguing or comical or whatever, but it's not unstable: it doesn't get us knowing that something will have to happen, and wondering what it'll be.
  • Aonghus Fallon
    by Aonghus Fallon 1 year ago
    Thanks for this Emma. I'm going to post the offending section up in 'Critiques' and see what the others think.
  • Wrathnar the Unreasonable
    Very interesting article. I keep reading that the waking-up start is a no-no, and had taken that advice on board. However, one of my short stories (my best, I think) absolutely has to start with a dream sequence, it's essential to the plot. I was gonna submit it to F&SF magazine, but decided not to, cos it starts with a child's dream, and I think the Editor wouldn't read beyond the first page cos he would think it reads like rather naive fantasy. I totally can't find a way round it.
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