Quandary Alert!

Published by: Gerilyn on 25th Nov 2011 | View all blogs by Gerilyn
Quandary alert!

Ok so I used to work in Darlington as a Building Surveyor/ Architectural assistant. I left in 2005 after 1st child because I found out the 2 peeps they hired to take over my work load while I was on maternity leave (note it took 2 people to do my work) were both getting paid more than me. I found a job closer to home that paid a lot more money. Unfortunately that job disolved after 6 years when I was made redundant in April 2011.

So I have been unemployed for 6 months. In that time I have resolved myself to never go back into the building industry ever again. I have applied to do a PGCE next year so that I can train to be an Art teacher. I am in fact awaiting confirmation of my interview.

This morning I got an email from an ex colleague from the Darlington job, saying that one of the guys has left the building department and that they have been trying to contact me to see if I want my old job back.

I don't know what to do. I'm working 16 hours a week in a shop at the moment. The job's great but it's minimum wage. My old job pays more than what a newly qualified teacher makes *but* - it's going backwards isn't it? Or is it? Plus the commute was 45mins drive each way- which isn't a killer but I'd need to get the kids to school in the morning. Ah but I'd have a real wage coming in.

I don't know what to do.
What should I do?

Comments

33 Comments

  • TheApprentice
    by TheApprentice 6 months ago
    My wife's a teacher, and it's bloody hard work, the pay is mediocre and the powers that be are stripping the pension pot bare. But then if you love teaching, but then would you have as much time to write being a teacher?

    Just my two-penneth. I don't really know your circumstances Gerilyn, but if you're old job pays more than a starting teacher and you know the job, have done it before and liked it, well....
  • Liss
    by Liss 6 months ago
    It's tough, but you seem happy in your part time job and as long as you aren't on the brink of starvation, I'd say keep going full steam ahead for the teaching position!

    You made an excellent point by leaving that place, who clearly didn't appreciate you. I am in no way suggesting you drop everything and risk your financial stability, but consider the reason you left in the first place....xx
  • Wrathnar the Unreasonable
    by Wrathnar the Unreasonable 6 months ago
    Reading between the lines, I get a sense that going back to your old job would make you unhappy. Money isn't the most important thing in life (although it helps).
  • Jill
    by Jill 6 months ago
    Ok - have tried three times to comment and it hasn't taken! Will message...
  • Gerilyn
    by Gerilyn 6 months ago
    I know- money isn't everything- until you don't have any! We're not on the brink of starvation, but we can't do the stuff we used to do. I probably won't be able to pay for my car insurance next month- so will have to sell my beautiful car. I might get a bike. No seriously, I might.
  • Caducean Whisks
    by Caducean Whisks 6 months ago
    You don't need to close any doors at the moment, do you? The PGCE won't start for a year (will it?) so why not do both?
    Yes it might seem like a backward step, but you'll have a different attitude - much more experience of life and of jobs - and even of the architectural world since the Monty job.
    Also, if you have the offer of a PGCE under your belt, it will give you the inner confidence that you can walk if you don't like it. Hey if they've hunted you down, you could even hold out for even more pay. Not a lot to lose, is there?
    Nothing like feeling wanted, to give your confidence a boost.
    You know from personal experience that there are no guarantees that a job will last forever, so going into it thinking that it might only be for a year, is just being pragmatic.
    Do both! Or at least, defer the decision about the PGCE until later, when you've seen how the cookie crumbles?
    G'luck G-girl.
  • TheApprentice
    by TheApprentice 6 months ago
    Yep, money is never important when you have the stuff, I completely agree. If you went back to the old job, you can always negotiate with them over salary. If they want you badly enough, you might be able to negotiate quite a nice deal for yourself. That way you won't feel like their taking the mickey like they did last time.
  • CJ
    by CJ 6 months ago
    As you know, I'm a secondary school teacher, and whilst I love my job (most of the time...), what Appy says is very true. Teaching is one of those jobs I would never discourage people from doing (we need good teachers, after all!), but at the same time, it is one of those things that you REALLY want to do, to the exclusion of near enough all else. I am a teacher 'cos apart from writing and drawing full time, I can't see myself doing anything else. The work is hard, the pay mediocre and this government (and most people who support them) despise you by default... but, on the flip side, kids are great, and the reward you get from seeing them progress with your help is like nothing else.

    You worry about the time you spend travelling impacting on your boys - but bear in mind that your usual day to day role as a teacher will do that any way. A teacher's day never ends (literally... during term time, I eat, sleep and dream my job, and even this morning with 4+ months of maternity leave left, I was thinking up lessons to engage kids with Shakespeare. then I slapped myself...). One thing in your favour is you won't be a core subject teacher (the pressure tends to be on English, Maths and Science teachers when it comes to government targets etc), but at the same time, you won't be part of a large department - at my school of 1000 pupils, we only have 2 art teachers.

    I suppose the real question is - how much do you want it? The government likes to try to push teaching as an 'easy option' for graduates, which it isn't (and is the reason behind the massive drop out rates in the first 4 years). However, if it is something you really want to do, then let nothing hold you back. That's how I would reason it - which one excites you more? Which one can you see yourself doing in 10 years? Which one 'feels' right?

    Good luck with your decision! xx
  • Liss
    by Liss 6 months ago
    Everyone is struggling at the moment, I used to love going on day trips to the Cotswolds but now am stuck job hunting at home. It is such a shit time at the moment, you take your happiness and satisfaction wherever you can get it! xx
  • TheApprentice
    by TheApprentice 6 months ago
    It feels like I am trying to dissuade you from teaching, I'm not, but the Government really do paint this idealistic picture of 'the teacher's day'. My wife does enjoy her job, but here's her day. Away from the house at 07:30 (school starts at 08:3) and she's got to be there 30 minutes before the children. Full day of teaching, come home at 5:30 (after various meetings, with head, social workers, etc.) She works in a very deprived area and is a maths specialist, so she has a few more responsibilities. So, home at 5:30, then EVERY evening, marking, lesson planning, individual assessment targets for EACH and EVERY child that may need updating. Then anything else that needs doing, maybe like revision of maths targets for the school. Then by 10, poor dear, she's completely knackered and goes to bed. That's usually most nights, and it's not bad time managent, she's been teaching for 20 years and always the when inspected by the LEA, gets excellent or Good. So, like Elysia says, you've really, really got to want to do it.

    If you do, fantastic, can't think of a more worthwhile career, sorry for the ramble!
  • CJ
    by CJ 6 months ago
    If it's any help, I faced a similar situation to you when I returned to teaching. I trained as a science teacher in 2000, but due to a bad experience, I left before completing my NQT year - tough school and poor management meant I was left with a bottom set year 11 group, and when I tried to give one boy a DT, he assaulted me. I was off sick with reactionary depression and anxiety for 6 months, and went back to an office job afterwards.

    Fast-forward to 2005. I, rather whimsically, applied to a job in a school to work in the school office. I was applying for anything and everything because I was unhappy in my current job. In the end, I was offered an Advertising Manager's job for a small magazine (Sew Today). Considering I loved writing, I was well chuffed and thought it might be a way into writing properly. Then, 3 weeks into that job, the school rang me and asked me if I would consider being a Cover Supervisor rather than working in the office.

    The advertising job brought me in just over £14,000. Not much, but a lot more than the £11,000 the Cover Supervisor job pulled in. However, in my heart, I knew that the CS job might just lead me back into teaching. Within a half term, I was already in discussion with the English department about me becoming a full time teacher, and by the end of the following term (it was the summer), I'd been offered a chance to finish my NQT as an English teacher (swapped from Science). 2006 I completed my NQT year, and I have never looked back.

    It was a huge gamble, hard work and, due to my previous experiences, scary as hell. But, at the same time, it was worth it.
  • AlanP
    by AlanP 6 months ago
    There are two old saws, both of which have some truth to them:

    1. It's easy to find a job when you don't need one
    2. Never go back

    They appear to be completely contradictary, but maybe not.

    I notice that you appear to be thinking of this in the long term. When they made you redundant it was at a time of their choosing. I know you saw it coming, but you were in a bit of a state about it. It is allowed to be selfish and they do owe you. You could take this back, not necessarily intending it for the long term while you sort things out. There would be income and you would be employed while figuring out what you want.

    Stop being so nice about things. Use them, they used you!
  • Gerilyn
    by Gerilyn 6 months ago
    Whisks- that is a great point! I *could* always keep both options open, couldn't I?!!
    Most of my friends are teachers- so I know that turning to teaching is not 'the easy option'. My gran was a tecaher, then a head teacher and when I was little I always wanted to be an art teacher. When I did my A levels though- because I'd chosen Maths English and Art, someone suggested that Architecture would be a good proffession- so that is the route I took. After the trauma of working for Monty and the subsequent redundancy I decided that I really couldn't work for another architect ever again. Ironically- this old job would be working for a Chartered Surveyor.

    I've toyed with the idea of being an art teacher before- usually when I was crying myself to slepp after Monty called me an imbecile infront of a packed out open plan office. but- you're right- I have only toyed with the idea. In my head it would be a romantic role- I'd flaunce about the art class, brush in hand- while I conveyed all my artistic knowledge onto a young rapt audience. So- I actually do appreciate being told a few home truths about what working in a secondry school would be *really* like. xxx
  • Gerilyn
    by Gerilyn 6 months ago
    I should also add that yes it *is* nice to feel wanted. xxx
  • Barry Walsh
    by Barry Walsh 6 months ago
    What Alan P said. Going back is OK if it's on your terms and you feel OK about it. Lots of people did this successfully: Sinatra, McArthur, Steve Jobs. Why not Gerilyn?
  • Old Fat Prop
    by Old Fat Prop 6 months ago
    1. Take the job. Your self esteem will enjoy the push. these are unprecidented times. so many quality people under/un employed.

    2. Can you train while working? If so it will give you a great chance to earn and learn.

    3. As for the Art classes, I do nude modeling in my spare time. I am George clooney's stunt bum. let us know if you need a viewing......

    hope this helps
    Prop

    99. (Minx's Liars blog) "It must be cold in here."
  • Caducean Whisks
    by Caducean Whisks 6 months ago
    Yes it is. Should have added about the 'backward step' - I agree with Alan, but I also agree with me; and sometimes you have to be pragmatic and do what needs to be done. I was headhunted back by a company I'd worked for at a time when I was scraping the bottom of the barrel financially. It saved me in the nick of time from going under. I found it extremely hard at first, but the spur of the pay and the feeling of being so valued did wonders. It also helped me put to bed some ambivalent feelings of when I'd left the first time, and overwrite those memories with new ones. The company had changed, there were plenty of new fresh staff, and it stimulated parts of my brain that were seizing up. That was quite a creative rush.
    After a while, I did feel that I'd 'gone backwards' and shouldn't have done - but on balance, I'm glad I did. Being too precious about my career path was a luxury I couldn't afford at the time.
    You really have nothing to lose by keeping your options open, do you? Except perhaps, your current job?
  • MinxieAD
    by MinxieAD 6 months ago
    They've got a bit of a cheek after what they did. Bet it makes you feel good that they've realised what a big mistake it was letting you go.

    I know it's sometimes better the devil you know, but only go back on your terms, if you decide to. I've had problems, as you know, and am struggling and trying to sort things out and there's nothing that could ever get me back to my employment.

    I made that decision, not by thinking of the here and now, but thinking of the long term. Try and imagine yourself in 5 years time. On one hand you don't want to waste your qualifications, but can you see yourself there, or as a teacher? Work is such a huge part of the day, and if you make the decision to go back, you don't have to stay! You've already proved there's no keeping you down, and you don't need them. I wouldn't go back, but I only have me to think of. It's different when you have a young family who depend on you.
  • Gerilyn
    by Gerilyn 6 months ago
    My current job runs out on the 7th of January- so I could always start this job in the new year. I left the Darlington job on good terms actually- I didn't tell them I was going to Monty's because they were paying me more i said it was because it was nearer to home- 15 min drive opposed to 45. I also found an old review report from Darlington the other day- I really wasn't undervalued at all- except for the pay I s'pose- the review form was full of praise. A total opposite to my review form from Monty. I think a lot of the staff has changed- and they will no doubt still want to underpay me..but as you say 'better the devil you know.' It was a lovely job too- mainly converting and restoring stone buildings. So barn conversions and one or two castles that needed new roofs etc. It certainly beats designing 'Barratt' housing for Monty.
  • Ron Blanco
    by Ron Blanco 6 months ago
    My vote would be to tell them to stuff the job. They exploited you once, so don't give them a chance to do it again. The PGCE would be something different, and more rewarding if it works out.
    P.S. It is possible to get along without a car (though getting my kids to football at weekends is a challenge).
  • Tony
    by Tony 6 months ago
    My broadband's been down and I've only just read all this. I'm with Whisks. Cheeck out the 'old' job at least and see what they will offer. You know what your replacements were paid so you'll want that as a minimum - adjusted for inflation, of course. I'd ask for a bit more (assuming the jobs are comparable). No need to say you might be moving on in a year. The other thing is, if it's a decent enough salary, would you think of asking to work just four days a week (for a pro-rata pay)? The other day could be used for teacher training work, Lisa's Easel work, children, writing... Is that an attractive option?
  • AlanP
    by AlanP 6 months ago
    Take the job. Take the money. Take your time. Work out what you want in the meantime.
  • Autumn
    by Autumn 6 months ago
    Agree with whisks - my first thought was do both until you know what old job is like now.

    I would def do the PGCE if I were you - give it a proper go - and once you have it, you will always have that option of teaching in future.

    Perhaps you could volunteer at your sons' school (or a local comp?) for a few art sessions while you are at D*hams? Might show you if it's for you?

    Good Luck Geri - you deserve a break. xx
  • CJ
    by CJ 6 months ago
    Quickly, 'cos I is in a BIG rush this morning - a PGCE is a qualification with a time limit on it. You have 4 years to complete your NQT year once you receive it, or you have to train again (not sure how long you can be out after NQT before you have to re-train, though) - I was on the cusp of that 4 years, which is one of the reasons I went back to teaching. But that still gives you 4 years to make a decision!
  • Gerilyn
    by Gerilyn 6 months ago
    Thanks for all your advice, guys. I thought about it all last night and I still want to go the teaching route. At the end of the day- it's nice that this firm have been thinking about me, but, having had a good look at their website last night I remembered what it was really like working there. I've applied to get my CRB checks done and I've asked the head at my son's school if i can help out in the new year. I'll take things from there and see what happens.

    My interview for the PGCE will be sometime before christmas-I need to get through that first.

    Thanks again you wonderful people x
  • Jill
    by Jill 6 months ago
    Great! Pleased you have been able to reach your decision so quickly. Jx
  • MinxieAD
    by MinxieAD 6 months ago
    I'm pleased for you too.

    It's something you really want to do, and if you don't go for it you may always have a little regret.

    Good luck with the interview.
  • Wrathnar the Unreasonable
    by Wrathnar the Unreasonable 6 months ago
    I have a feeling you're making the right decision. Wish you loads of luck with it!
  • Liss
    by Liss 6 months ago
    Truckloads of luck coming your way x
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 6 months ago
    Only just caught up with this and you've already had some great advice so I'll just say Good Luck! Hope whichever direction you end up taking, it works out for you.
  • Kate7
    by Kate7 6 months ago
    It sounds to me like you've had some good advice, and that you've really thought things through. All I feel I can do is wish you the very best of luck at the interview, although from talking to you over the last months I'm sure you'll do well.
  • MarkR
    by MarkR 6 months ago
    Geri, sorry I'm late to this - was out last night. There's no quandry that doesn't feel better for having made a decision, phew. Good luck with the interview and all that follows.
  • AlanP
    by AlanP 6 months ago
    So long as you are still happy with the decision when you wake up tomorrow, then it must be what you want to do.

    Good luck.
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