Sinister Nursery Rhymes

Published by: Skylark on 20th Feb 2012 | View all blogs by Skylark

Imagine you're standing outside a door in dark, wood-panelled corridor. You can hear a child singing a nursery rhyme. Something about the sound of the child's voice sends a shiver down your spine. When you open the door, no one is there.

Which nursery rhyme would be most likely to give you the heebie-jeebies in these circumstances?

(A little bit of market research for my latest book...)

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  • Noodledoodle
    by Noodledoodle 3 months ago
    Little Miss Muffet - I hate spiders, they make my flesh crawl just looking at them from a hundred yards away. I am not sure why they terrify me, but they do. I don't much fancy curds and whey either - some yukky vintage cottage cheese and its juice just makes me wibble.
  • Tenacityflux
    by Tenacityflux 3 months ago
    I use that 'ding dong dell, pussy's in the well,' song because frankly it's dead creepy. To be honest, rock a bye baby is pretty weird too if you sing it slowly enough.
  • Gerilyn
    by Gerilyn 3 months ago
    I still remember the ryhme from the 'Nightmare on Elm Street' films.

    "One two, Freddy's coming for you...."
    Eurghhhhhhhhhh

    Any nursery ryhme sung by children in slow way can sound creepy though. Imagine them singing ''Ring a ring of roses". Creep-tastic.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks Noodle and Tenacity - great suggestions. Does Miss Muffet have a tune? I can't think of one at the moment - though I can imagine a child chanting it with relish ;-) I'll have to look up 'ding dong dell' as I'm not very familiar with the words but I remember it being quite a sinister one. And yes, rock a bye baby sung in a sinister way - that could work very well - hee hee.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Eeek, thanks for reminding me Geri - a friend persuaded me to watch that when I was about 12 and it still gives me the creeps when I think of it now! Yes, ring a ring of roses was my first thought because the words and the tune are very creepy but the problem is that I don't want to complicate the plot by suggesting a link to the plague (which there isn't) so I was trying to think of a different nursery rhyme without the same connotations but equally creepy.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    p.s. thinking about Whisks's dream blog, I'll blame you if I have Freddy Kreuger nighmares tonight!!!!
  • Caducean Whisks
    by Caducean Whisks 3 months ago
    Dunno about nursery rhymes, but plenty of folk songs have really blood-thirsty lyrics if you listen to them - those lovely tuneful ditties by Steeleye Span - all about bashing babies and severing limbs and burying bodies. S'pose it was what life was like, way back when?
  • Bryan
    by Bryan 3 months ago
    I think Oranges and Lemons quite creepy.
  • Liss
    by Liss 3 months ago
    Ring a ring o' roses. It's kids singing about death. Nice!
  • John Taylor
    by John Taylor 3 months ago
    Rock a bye baby came into my head as I read your blog. But that might be a tired mind going to a default nursery rhyme, Skylark. There's always this playground rhyme,

    I made you look and I made you stare
    I made the barber cut your hair
    He cut it long and he cut it short
    He cut it with a knife and fork.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    I don't know Steeleye Span very well - can you think of any specific songs? Folksongs generally though, hmmmm, I'll have to have a think on that one. I can think of a couple of bloodthirsty scottish ones but they'd be a bit out of context for the plot but there's definitely potential for sinister lyrics/melodies.....thanks for the suggestion!
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Crossed with you Bryan, Liss and John. Thanks - yes, Oranges and lemons - here comes a candle to light you to bed and here comes the chopper to chop off your head - lovely! :-) Ring a roses and rock a bye baby are still topping my list at the moment - and that playground rhyme would work too. Getting the imagination going - thanks guys!
  • John Taylor
    by John Taylor 3 months ago
    There's this sweet little tale of domestic abuse...

    Little Polly Flinders sat among the cinders, warming her pretty little toes.
    Her mother came and caught her, and whipped her little daughter, for spoiling her nice new clothes.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    That's a good one - fits a little with the plot too :-)
  • John Taylor
    by John Taylor 3 months ago
    For a selection, Skylark, and their history, look in the library for 'The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren' by Iona and Peter Opie. I also have their nursery rhyme book, but most of the ones included are fairly harmless.

    And I guess this could be creepy in the right circumstances...

    Just last night upon the stair
    I saw a man who wasn't there
    He wasn't there again today
    I wish that man would go away!
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Hehe, I've got that one in a poetry book and it always produces giggles at bedtime :-D

    Thanks for the book reference - sounds like it could be very helpful....
  • Tony
    by Tony 3 months ago
    What came immediately to my mind was:

    Half-a-pound of tuppeny rice
    Half-a-pound of treacle
    That's the way the money goes
    Pop! goes the weasel

    It sounds so innocent, but what does it really mean? Who knows? An the last line could be quite horrific.
  • Caducean Whisks
    by Caducean Whisks 3 months ago
    Ah Tony, I can help there! The original first verse goes:

    Up and down the City Road
    In and out The Eagle
    That's the way the money goes
    Pop! Goes the weasel.

    Well, the City Road is in London N1 and The Eagle is a pub that was once a music hall (and is still there). A weasel, I think, is some kind of tradesman's ironmongery used in textiles or something (or possibly rhyming slang for coat - weasel and stoat). Anyway, after going in and out of the pub all night, you had to pawn your tools (or your coat).
    It had many verses, so perhaps the rice/treacle is a later verse - or perhaps the children's version?
  • Jill
    by Jill 3 months ago
    Been wracking my brains, but can come up with no better than any of the above! The story sounds intriguing, Skylark.
  • Scheherazade
    by Scheherazade 3 months ago
    How about Goosey, goosey gander ? - "there I met an old man who wouldn't say his prayers so I took him by the left leg and threw his down the stairs" nice!
  • Ele
    by Ele 3 months ago
    I agree with Bryan - oranges and lemons is very sinister:
    "Here comes the candle to light you to bed,
    And here comes the chopper to chop off your head!
    Chop, chop, chop,
    The last man's dead!"
  • Squidge
    by Squidge 3 months ago
    Skylark - a lot of the above would fit...but depending on your plot, would you be able to write one specifically to fit? That way, it's exclusive to the story, could be a repeating theme, and you can make it as scary as you like...for example...a bit of nonsense...(read in a singsong voice !)

    Old man stares at the pussy cat's tail
    Doesn't hear the children wail
    When he does they'll have to run
    Or else he'll use his smoking gun

    'Course - that won't help if it makes the scene more powerful with a rhyme that we all know...so ignore the suggestion if that's the case!
  • MinxieAD
    by MinxieAD 3 months ago
    Creepy suggestions from John!

    'It's raining, it's pouring, the old man is snoring,' popped in to my head whilst reading your blog. It's a bit of a sinister one.
  • Jill
    by Jill 3 months ago
    Me being me, I did a bit of googling in the early hours and learnt quite a lot about the sinister origins of quite a few rhymes. Best not go there methinks!
  • stephenterry
    by stephenterry 3 months ago
    I love John's man. That's exceptional.
  • Tony
    by Tony 3 months ago
    Yeah, I like that one, ST. Thanks, Whisks btw. I vaguely remember hearing something like that before, now you mention it.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thank you everyone for some brilliant replies - really got the juices going and lots to work with there. Squidge, you may well be on to something there. I hadn't considered making up my own one but that might just do it. I might have to write a bit more of the 'past' plot before I get the right words but.....I've got that tingling feeling :-D

    If not, there are plenty of ideas above that would also work well so thanks everyone for your contributions. Whisks, I've got the full version of pop goes the weasel in one of our nursery rhyme books and I'm glad you've explained it as I never understood it before. The half a pound verse is about the third verse and there's also one about chasing a monkey around the table or something like that.
  • Mythwriter
    by Mythwriter 3 months ago
    *shivers* there's two video games I can think of that use this child technique to scare you. Bioshock is one of them. These girls called "little sisters" sound innocent but are born and altered by a world corrupted. The other game is F.E.A.R. There's one point where you're in a school that is fairly creepy. I would by no means suggest playing them (I haven't, I've only heard of them), but the concept is still there. But one large factor that they like to keep in horror with children is they always have their child-like voice, but it echoes in the emptyness of their surroundings. It also reminds me of "Alice in Wonderland: Return to Madness" or something like that. Anyways, the song I hear for some reason in my head is "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" sung really slowly.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks, Mythwriter *shiver*! The novel I'm writing is for children so I don't want to be *too* scary but it's definitely that child-voice, sing-song, echoey, sinister sound that I want to re-create :-D
  • Caducean Whisks
    by Caducean Whisks 3 months ago
    They're *all* blood-thirsty and/or sinister if you look at the words!
    Ring a ring of roses - wasn't that about the plague? i.e. a symptom was a ring of red spots on your arm. You get a bit of fever. You die. And everyone sings about it :)
  • spike1
    by spike1 3 months ago
    For me, it has to be ring-a-ring-aroses...

    And this is why...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TS_tm2eFT8
  • Caducean Whisks
    by Caducean Whisks 3 months ago
    Forgot to translate the second line:
    Ring-a-ring of roses = plague symptom
    A pocket full of posies = a nosegay to ward off evil aromas
    Atishoo Atishoo = fever
    We all fall down = dead
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Good example, Spike :-)

    Thanks for the translation, Whisks. I remembered learning about that particular one at school. Googling 'sinister nursery rhymes' is quite an eye opener for some of the other ones too. There's some rather nasty tales behind the rhymes!
  • spike1
    by spike1 3 months ago
    Another one mentioned in that episode of sapphire and steel was goosey goosey gander...
    Which they said was about cromwel's soldiers raiding people's homes to arrest people (non-believers) who refused to pray.
  • John Taylor
    by John Taylor 3 months ago
    Of course, nursery rhymes (as against children's rhymes) are for the adult who is lulling the infant to sleep rather than for the infant. The meaning for the infant is in the sound of the parent's voice and in repetition of patterns and lovely sounds. The meaning for the adult is whatever is on the adult's mind. Which could be... well, your guess is as good as mine.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Good point, John. Mind you, that points to some seriously disturbed parents out there....;-)
  • Damien
    by Damien 2 months ago
    I've stumbled across this a little too late I fear. But I just thought I'd mention.

    Have you heard the song 'Scaretale' by the brilliant Nightwish? It opens with children singing ring a ring o' roses which might help you with the eerie factor.

    Here's a link if you want a listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsanIlcGHrA
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 2 months ago
    Thanks Damien, that's really helpful :-)
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