Taking it to extremes

Published by: Spangles on 5th Aug 2010 | View all blogs by Spangles
I recently read an article about what some novelists will do so they can get to know their characters and stay enmeshed in the atmosphere of their book while they're writing it. Apparently, some novelists may indulge in 'extreme behaviour'.

This got me wondering what sort of extreme behaviour we're talking about. Because, disappointingly, the writer of the article didn't elaborate. Would a crime writer lead a secret life as a murderer, so they know exactly what it's like to stick a knife into a victim? And would that stand up as a defence at the Old Bailey? If you're writing classic chick lit, should you run up massive credit card debts by buying endless shoes and handbags, just so you can describe exactly how it feels to wear a pair of Christian Louboutin heels or carry the latest Prada It bag? Could you make those shoes tax-deductible because they're part of your research? Or if you're describing a character having an affair, should you cheat on your own partner? Would they understand if they found out? 

I don't know if I've been indulging in extreme behaviour with my own characters.* I've lived with them, dreamed about them, imagined them and written about them for the past 20 months. I've also talked to them. Out loud. Asked them what they wanted, what they were thinking, how they felt, and why the hell they'd behaved in a particular way and completely screwed up my plans for them. I've cried for them and laughed with them. 

This afternoon, I sent them off into the big wide world. And before I did, I gave each of them a hug for luck. I wish I'd done it before. Because I got such a strong impression of each of them. One character gave me a quick squeeze, made a squeaky noise and stepped away again. Another gave me a big hug and held on tight. A third shook my hand and kissed me on both cheeks.

It's an experiment that I'll repeat for my next novel. And I'll do it earlier in the process next time. I wonder what other character-development exercises I can come up with. I only hope they don't get me into too much trouble. 

* Who am I kidding? Of course I have!  

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35 Comments

  • karen
    by karen 1 year ago
    Spangles, this blog made me laugh! At the moment I'm 'living' with one of the characters in my story. I can picture the kitchen, the garden, her bedroom. I have conversations with her. I have pictures of her children in my head, the colour of their hair, their eyes, the way they speak. Her ex husband is leading me a merry dance, his behaviour is now far worse than I anticipated and I'm thoroughly enjoying it! Your question about crime writers trying out their crimes is one I've often asked myself! What about the writer of the erotic novel? Perhaps they indulge in extreme behaviour! I will be reading every book I read in a different light from now on!
  • Mcallan
    by Mcallan 1 year ago
    This is excellent Spangles. I go to sleep at night thinking about my main character....and worryingly he is a man!...but never mind. I know everything about him, how he would react to a situation. But, do I really know him?..Gawd I'll never sleep tonight now!
  • Tony
    by Tony 1 year ago
    When you say you've hugged your characters and sent them off into the world, Spangles, do you mean you've sent your novel off to the publisher? That would be so exciting. I wish you (and them) well. And my sympathies, too, for your recent loss.
    I had similar relationships with my MCs while I was was writing, but I don't seem to have the same empathy during editing and revision.
  • norman normington
    by norman normington 1 year ago
    I thought I was the only one whose characters are actually real to them. Hey perhpas we are all characters in a novel...
  • Gerry
    by Gerry 1 year ago
    I remember seeing one of your scoundrels heading along the High Street, whooping and mischief making. Lost sight of him after a while. Hope he's properly crammed back in that book. Looked a candidate for an ASBO, I thought.
  • Steve
    by Steve 1 year ago
    I've had all-night-long conversations with the characters in my book. I've drank with them 'til dawn. Asked them about their lives. Gone off on road trips for months with some. But I suspect non-fiction travel writing doesn't count here?

    Very good luck with your lot, Spangles.
  • SecretSpi
    by SecretSpi 1 year ago
    What a lovely idea - am looking forward to meeting your characters too when your novel is out!
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    Thanks, everyone, for your lovely comments. I know we all say it but it's worth repeating - this is such a wonderfully supportive and fun site.

    Karen55, I have also wondered about writers of erotic literature! I have a friend who used to write it (he referred to it as 'filth', as in 'I've got a contract to write some more filth'). I shall have to ask him…

    Mcallan, I'm glad I'm not the only one who goes to sleep thinking about my main character. And who wakes in the middle of the night to think some more. Exhausting but fun. Or plain barmy?

    Thanks, Tony, both for your sympathy and also for your best wishes. I've sent the last batch of my novel off to my agent. I expect she'll send it back with requests for revisions, which is absolutely fine by me because so far all her suggestions have added immeasurably to the plot and the character development. Maybe you don't have the same empathy with your characters during the revisions stage as you do when writing because you're looking at them more dispassionately?

    Norm, I immediately imagined The Big Writer in the Sky licking his pencil and creating a new character, and cackling as he/she makes that character clash with another. 'This is going to be good,' says TBWITS. 'Oh yes, the readers are going to love this!'

    Gerry, that character you saw got worse. Much worse. The hero nearly decked him at one point. Definitely a candidate for an ASBO if not a prison sentence for fraud. Yes. You heard it here first.

    Thanks, Steve. I think it's the probably the same for fiction and non-fiction characters. They've got to live on the page. As well as in the bar!

    Thanks, SecretSpi. I'm inviting everyone to the launch party when it's published, and I hope you'll be able to come. I'll give you lots of notice so you can plan your trip well in advance.

    Unfortunately I had some rather disappointing news about my novel this morning. My agent had sent the first two batches to a publisher who loved it. But who has now rejected it. Apparently it's too similar in voice and setting to other novels on her list. Rats and triple rats. However, it was very encouraging feedback so I'm still feeling buoyant.
  • Steve
    by Steve 1 year ago
    But this is good news, Spangles. I understand that a book has to be turned down by 8 publishers before it's snapped up making the author billions in sequels and film rights. Plus you get to say poo with knobs on to the rejecting publishers.

    Seriously now, it's very interesting to hear that the publisher loved it, but that it was too similar to work already on their list. Perhaps your agent should approach publishers who are begging for their own slice of this lucrative market? No doubt your book will bring success to all three parties when the right publisher is found.
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    Thanks, Steve. You're as encouraging as ever! It's been rejected by two (short-sighted) publishers now so only five more to go before the sixth takes me out to lunch and makes me an offer I can't refuse. And gives me a publishing deal… Sorry. Couldn't resist.

    Jill, all I can say to your suggestion is that my lawyer has instructed me to say 'No comment'! (I can see that you already know me too well.)
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    Jill, yes, we'll definitely have to share legal costs! And can we get a handsome lawyer?
  • Steve
    by Steve 1 year ago
    I bet you couldn't resist... Sorry. Couldn't resist either.
  • norman normington
    by norman normington 1 year ago
    Im old! Wise? hmmm...definately not a toyboy.
    But I'm stillalive and can dress myself...that must count for something....
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    It counts for a lot, Norm. Your moustache must take a lot of grooming. by the way.
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    Yes, we do love smiles. But I don't think we'd want Patrick Moore to be our legal representative as no one would understand a word he said. So we'll stick with Norm instead.
  • Mcallan
    by Mcallan 1 year ago
    I Don't think I would trust a smiling legal eagle!.....Good to hear you are still upbeat Spangles. I had my 4th agent rejection this week....but am I downhearted?......not on your nelly!
    Getting back to the point of your blog I saw the film Letters To Juliet this week, and the film was ok. However the elderly love interest, Lorenzo, was the spitting dab of my MC!...seriously!..it was spooky.
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    Mcallan, I think I would quite like the sort of lawyer who smiles only briefly and at disconcerting moments, in order to unnerve the other side. Sorry to hear about the agent rejection, but that only means there is someone much better out there waiting to hear from you.

    I was going to ask whether anyone has seen the real life version of one of their characters, and if so how they felt about it. I should think it certainly was spooky. i've just looked the film up online. Was the actor Franco Nero?

    Recently I gave a talk in London as part of a day of other talks on astrology, and one of my fellow speakers looked so much like my male MC that I had to restrain myself from walking around him as though he was an exhibit in Madame Tussauds. Voices are another thing I take note of. Sometimes I've heard someone on the radio or TV and been puzzled because they sound so familiar. Suddenly, I've realized it's because they sound like one of my characters. Very strange.
  • Mcallan
    by Mcallan 1 year ago
    Hi Spangles. Yes it was Franco Nero...quite a cool MC. And I had not heard of him before!

    I am just having a quiet chortle to myself at the image of you ogling your fellow speaker as if he was a rare species!

    I have never thought of the voice thing before1..Now look what you have gone and done to my tiny brain!
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    Ooh yes, Mac, Franco Nero is a very cool MC indeed. It's just occurred to me that voices might be another way to find a character. I tend to think about what they look like first, but perhaps I should start to consider what they sound like, and see if that makes a difference to the way I conjure them up. Hmm, I shall have to experiment with this.

    Jill, what a good idea to have the perfect actress in mind for when your book becomes a film. An Oscar-winning film, of course, with your novel as the most successful film tie-in of the decade. I have heard of publishers asking their authors which actors and actresses they think should play their characters on screen, so it's as well to be prepared!

    I think Neil Oliver appeals to me because of his twinkly eyes. He looks as though he's a good laugh. Which is so important!
  • Inktrailer
    by Inktrailer 1 year ago
    Ha, just read this and the comments, funny stuff! And a possibly-dirty joke by Spangles too, shocking:p Anyway, I'm glad you gave them all a hug before you sent them on their way, though I'm sorry that your characters have rejected two publishers. But good feedback so stay positive, all it takes is one person to say yes:-)

    And Neil Oliver - I've seen a few episodes of Coast this week, it must be the cheeky half-smile he always seems to have. I prefer Alice myself.
  • Weens
    by Weens 1 year ago
    This post brings to mind Pirandello's Six characters in search of an Author. My characters are very real to me, although I can't say that they talk to me, maybe if they did, it would sort out some of the problems I'm having.

    Good feedback from a publisher is not easy to come by, so well done Spangles. You have an agent, which most of us on here would give our eye teeth for. That's half the battle, and I'm sure your agent feels he is able to sell your MS, it's just finding the one. Good luck with it Spangles.
  • Liss
    by Liss 1 year ago
    This was so sweet Spangles! Kissing your characters goodbye made me smile, that really is lovely x
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    Jill, there will be no need for me to sweet-talk the judges because they'll all be smitten by your novel. In the run-up to the Oscars, when all the members of the Academy are doing the rounds of the chat shows and being asked which film they think will win best picture, they'll all mention yours. There won't be any point in betting on it at William Hill because the odds will be too short. And your publishers will bring out three different editions of your book - the trade paperback (big and expensive), a collector's hardback edition (mega expensive but very beautiful) and a film tie-in edition that booksellers won't be able to keep on the shelves. I can see it all, you know. PS Remember to negotiate a good deal on the merchandising rights because that's where you can make a lot of money. Perhaps a scent named after one of the characters?

    Inky, that's a wonderful way to see it - my characters rejecting two publishers. And as the male MC is a publisher himself, he obviously has incredibly high standards. This is all very cheering! Alice seems very nice, doesn't she? The only one of the team I"m not keen on is that hectic man who keeps saying 'Golly!' and 'Sooper!' Can't think what his name is but I feel like throwing a bucket of cold (sea) water over him and begging him to calm down.

    Weens, have you tried talking to your characters? I felt a bit silly doing so at first, but after a while I learnt to chat away to them quite happily. For some reason, I particularly like talking to them while doing the washing up, though any eavesdropper would think I'd gone completely round the bend as the conversation is one-sided and strange, such as 'I don't know, you tell me what you want to do' or 'Bloody get on with it then and stop mucking about in Chapter 3'. Just keep your mind clear and see what comes to you.

    Thanks, Liss! The fact is that I love them. Even the scoundrel that Gerry saw walking down the street. And even his ghastly mother, who'd make a shoal of piranha fish feel nervous.
  • Inktrailer
    by Inktrailer 1 year ago
    Your male MC sounds like he's running the show, he'll keep your book in good hands I'm sure! Do you mean Mark Horton? Looks a bit like Billy Bunter, reminds me of an English Kilwilly from Monarch of the Glen. I quite like him actually, he's like a cartoon:p I don't like the guy with the white hair who always carries his umbrella though. But Alice... sigh.
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    You won't need to save up for a posh frock, Jill, as you'll be deluged with offers from top-notch designers who will literally be begging you to wear their latest creation on the big night. Ditto with shoes, jewellery and hair. Although you might want to take a sandwich in your (designer) bag as I gather the Oscars is a rather long drawn out affair.

    Inky, yes, my male MC is ultra capable. One of his problems, actually, but that's another story. Or rather, it's a novel!
    And yes, it is Mark Horton who makes me grit my teeth. I'm sure he's quite sweet, really. So it's Nicholas Crane who drives you insane (so early for poetry!). He went round Britain with that umbrella, didn't he? But has he ever used it?
  • Inktrailer
    by Inktrailer 1 year ago
    Good pun Spangly one! Nicholas Crane, that's him - and no, he never uses his bloody umbrella which drives me mad. At least Neil Oliver uses his bag for something, if it is only sandwiches and to look swish.
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    Thinking about it again, Jill, you'll probably be too nervous to want to eat much, anyway. And crumbs down the front of your dress wouldn't be a good look (you may not do such things but I know that's what would happen to me). The next thing for you to think about is who you'll be sitting next to on the big night, other than Mr Jill. Because of course they'll all be longing to sit beside you.

    Yes, I also hope my characters are behaving themselves because with luck this is the week when my agent will be reading about their exploits in the final half of the book. And I hope she'll think they've done well in getting themselves completely tangled up in the plot and then getting themselves (mostly) untangled at the end. I also included two four-letter words at the end, which I hope she won't mind. It would have been ludicrous for the two characters involved to have said anything else, given the circs.

    Nicholas Crane always looks so pleased with himself, which I find another irritant, Inky. And he looks a bit prissy. I have also wondered what Neil Oliver has in his bag and decided it's a packet of sandwiches, wrapped up in silver foil, and a Penguin biscuit. And, presumably, a hairbrush.
  • Inktrailer
    by Inktrailer 1 year ago
    I hope your agent loves the final half of the book Spangles, and appreciates the words at the end! Enough to get whizzing around everyone to try and sell it:-)

    Ha, I watched an episode of Coast last week where he opened his bag (claims he often gets asked what he carries inside it) and he did indeed pull out sandwiches wrapped in silver foil! And 'research', which in this case was an old football magazine. No hairbrush needed though, it's like that when he wakes up.
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    You're a mine of information, Inky. I had wondered if he puts his hair in a pony tail at night so it doesn't get in a muddle while he's asleep, but now I know the truth. What a lucky so-and-so. It probably never needs washing, either, despite all the salt spray that gets in it.
  • Inktrailer
    by Inktrailer 1 year ago
    I heard it washes itself each morning before he awakes, but I don't know if that's true:p
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    Good Lord! That must make an awful mess of his pillow. Presumably it's the job of someone at the Beeb (Nicholas Crane?) to wash it each day so it's nice and clean again come beddy-byes.
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    They might be an obvious person to you, Jill, but you've got me wondering who on earth they are. My mind is now whirling with possible candidates, from Sean Connery to Jack Black. And many in between.
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    You will probably be horrified when you see a pic of Jack Black - I only threw in his name as contrast to Sean Connery. I shall have to think about who our shared dishy dream is. Oh yes, I know!
  • Caducean Whisks
    by Caducean Whisks 1 year ago
    Lovely whimsical blog, Spangles. It was so touching, how one character clung on to you at your final parting. I'm filling up right now.
    There comes a time, does there not, when your characters are more real than, er, real people - I find myself snapping at the er, real people, for bothering me with banalities when there's so much more important stuff at stake. Particularly of the ilk: What else have you been doing, other than sitting at the computer?
    Hurumph. I've been saving the world/rescuing a kitten/consoling a boy in dispair/telling a woman not to give up/laughing at the joke/holding an old ladies hand as she confronts her mortality. And you're twittering about bills? (not YOU, of course Spangles - you wouldn't twitter about bills - I mean the rude interrupters with a bill fetish. :)
    Of course an imaginary world can be realer than the real one - we can fashion it just as we like. I wonder how long can you stay in it, realistically?
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 1 year ago
    Thanks, Whisks. It's good to have you back on the Cloud.

    Yes, my characters have been more real than many real people for some time now. It reminds me of that famous drawing of Charles Dickens, sitting at his desk and surrounded by his characters who are all milling about. How long can you stay in it? I wonder. I suppose too long, without returning to so-called reality, could be dangerous to one's mental health?

    But even as I'm mourning the loss of my current cast of characters, as I'm not intimately involved in their lives at the moment (though I'm sure I will be if I'm asked to make some revisions), a new set of characters is beginning to pipe up and shout for my attention. So far, I've got two of their names. I don't know who they are as people yet.
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