THE BUBBLE HAS BEEN BLOWN AWAY
My country has been living in a bubble of innocence and naivety.
Today it was literally blown away.
A carbomb exploded in the governmental area. The police have confirmed seven dead.
On a little island outside Oslo, a youth camp has been attacked by at least one gunman dressed as a police officer. Many youths are still hiding on the island, many of them flees when the real police approach. Unconfirmed reports from eyewitnesses claim that there may be more than twenty dead youths.
Islamic groups have threatened Norway many times. Several people have been arrested and bomb materials have been confiscated. Not long ago there was a terrorist attack in neighbouring Sweden.
There have even been bombings in Norway before. Those bombings were on a much smaller scale and done by rightwing extremists.
Still, the main reaction in Norway has been surprise. This cannot be happening here. We never expected this.
To me this was no surprise.
This is the one time I would love to be proven wrong.
I was right and I hate it.
The face of evil.
This man is responsible for the attack in Norway. Anders Behring Breivik.
32 years. As i write this 91 people is confirmed dead. Police still can't confirm if he was a lone wolf or if he had assistance.
A carbomb exploded in the governmental area. The police have confirmed seven dead.
On a little island outside Oslo, a youth camp has been attacked by at least one gunman dressed as a police officer. Many youths are still hiding on the island, many of them flees when the real police approach. Unconfirmed reports from eyewitnesses claim that there may be more than twenty dead youths.
Islamic groups have threatened Norway many times. Several people have been arrested and bomb materials have been confiscated. Not long ago there was a terrorist attack in neighbouring Sweden.
There have even been bombings in Norway before. Those bombings were on a much smaller scale and done by rightwing extremists.
Still, the main reaction in Norway has been surprise. This cannot be happening here. We never expected this.
To me this was no surprise.
This is the one time I would love to be proven wrong.
I was right and I hate it.
The face of evil.
This man is responsible for the attack in Norway. Anders Behring Breivik.
32 years. As i write this 91 people is confirmed dead. Police still can't confirm if he was a lone wolf or if he had assistance.
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The minds of people who terrorise the innocent in this way are beyond understanding and their actions unforgiveable.
Why have I entered this? I suppose because there is no way to explain to someone who wants to kill randomly that random killing is utterly wrong. All killing is wrong, but innocent random bystanders more so. But they don't understand that the way of the sword is wrong. In the case of 7/7/2005 they are dead, so what is to be done?
I feel for the people of Oslo, but I have no idea what to do about it. No rhyme, no reason. This is not coherent. It's just that every once in a while I remember that blast and shock wave, as I am doing now.
...as is the the whole reason for Nato...
Only Norway refused........
The only consistant place sympathy can be found is in a dictionary somewhere between "shit" and "syphylis"...
Try there......
I think 'sobering' comes somewhere in there, too.
This is sad but not surprising.
All terrorist bombings in Norway have been done by Norwegians, but this is on an unprecedented scale.
Life goes on, but the innocence is gone.
Empathy comes between Disinterest and Feck-off and it shines all the brighter for lighting such darkness.
It is my experience that previous elected governments of Norway have not always lived up to their treaty obligations and as such a greater burden in placed on us all for the common self defense of our shared ideals.
It now appears that the speculation is that this is a completely internal matter for norway given that is a far-right wing group who may have perpetraited this act.
I can empathize with those individuals there who have lost family and friends to this act.
but I struggle to extend that emotion to a National level. I am sure most Norwegians abhored the violence which has happened here in various sectarian inspired actions (Christian or otherwise) without feeling a need to express an international solidarity.
Kho's post seemd to me to imply that this was an islamic inspired attack and that this was a shared enemy. I took exception to that given Norway's previous reluctance to honour thier treaty commitments in previous circumstnaces when the blood spilt was not Nordic. It further seemed to me that Kho;s post was focused on a national political level rather than grief for those with individual loses. It is in that aspect my comments were made.
As it seems now, it is a mute point given that this appears to be entirely domestic in nature.
Hope this helps.
Our elected governments have signed and affirmed our commitments to them.
Hope this helps.
Prop
People was raging against immigrants, condemning the government for letting Muslims live in Norway.
Racist messages was abundant in social media. This was the punishment for letting religious extremists into Norway.
Yes, the terrorist was a religious fanatic, but he was a Christian fanatic. He was a racist, raging against immigrants and attacking Islam. He was the enemy within.
To me it was an individual act of madness and should attract zero political comment.
A tragedy for Norway.
He placed the carbomb, started the timer. then went to the Utøya area and waited. He waited until the bomb exploded. When he was sure that the news had reached the people in the camp, and all police in the area had gone to Oslo, he approached the boat that went out to the little island. He was wearing an police uniform and claimed he was sent there to provide some security and inform them about what was going on in Oslo. The young and naïve people operating the boat took him out to the island.
He called for people to gather around him so he could inform them of what was going on.
Then he started the massacre.
This isn't a time to discuss government policies, OFP, that is for later, sober reflection. Now is a time to think again about human motivation.
Random killing is evil, whatever belief system the perpetrator claims for himself (and it usually is a 'him'). Claim is the word: it is an assertion of crude power by someone who want to show that he is in control, and that other people should fear him.
In short, when a playground bully is given dangerous toys, other people get hurt. Anyone who perpetrates terror has not matured as a human being, and has had a complete failure of empathy.
How do we deal with bullying and assertion of power in our society? And how do we help those of different views to feel a part of our society, and to learn to care for those around them?
I go back to my previous point - this is a tragedy for individual people who have nothing to do with governments or policies. It's a terrible, terrible thing to have happened. A survivor from the Youth Camp was interviewed on the radio this morning and it was chilling listening to her relive what had happened and some of the details that have come out have been truly awful. My heart goes out to everyone affected.
John, that question needs answering in our country too. There are too many people who are made to feel alienated because they think differently or believe differently or look at the world differently. We should embrace difference not ostracise it - and I think this is a challenge that all countries in the world need to tackle. Not just Norway, and not just the UK.
As for me, I'm still waiting to hear if our friends are ok. No response to email so far, though they are particularly bad at checking and replying to emails. My mum has a vague memory of them saying they were off to Mexico on holiday around now so keeping fingers crossed on that one.
An old story comes to mind, I am sure many of you now it about the Korean soldier, and chop sticks five feet long?
It would seem that Trafalgar is not the only clouder who has spent the day editing...
It would seem that Kha's original post which quoted 83 dead and details of crackdowns on islamic extremists has been edited.
He/she now quote 91 dead which was not know until a few hours ago and all mention of government policy concerning islamic extremists has been edited...
I also see a nice nordic face staring at me from his "original" post. I am pretty sure that none of thiso was known when Kha posted the original last night.
I quote from one of his comments this afternoon which cannot be edited.
"by Khaloth 8 hours ago
When I wrote this blog the perpetrator was unknown. People where assuming it was Islamist terror."
Yet his "original" post now has a photo of the bad guy.
We can of course look at this objectively and condemn all who try to make politcal points from the deaths of civilians ....or we can fashionably edit our commetns when the heat is turned up.
I stand by my original post that Kha has tried to link these deaths to political events in Norway....regardless of the power of Kha's editing skills..
You can join the mob here and help make my wicker man or whe can recognize that some people seek to use other's sympathy to support thier own political agendas...
This was one nutter, regardless of his motivation it was a crime and not a terrorist incident.
Little wonder given Kha's editing that you are now unable to find the offending passages I refer to .
Please respond, I would be most interested in your view of this....
Regards,
OFP
my last post on this blog...
I don't agree with your last post.
I think this site is far to valuable than to trash up with political opinions. Mine or others....
The fact that many in your country have suffered a terrible tragedy is my entire sentiment on the matter.
You sleep well
OFP
I am dissapointed that you are not dissappointed to discover that Kha's original post had been modified without you noticing it when you made reference to it and that you do not remember the key passages and references.
But aI accept that you are giving me an honest opinion of how you see things...that can never be a bad thing.
I am quite happy being the bad guy here in my sole discomfort with Kha's perspective here and his undeclared editing.
I am used to being the bad giuy.
Once upon a time a Korean soldier died and went to heaven. He had led a good life. When he got to the big pearly gates of heaven he saw St Peter waiting for him. St Peter checked his name on the clipboard and was about to usher him in. Sorry to be a nuisance, said the ex soldier politely, before I go to heaven, can I please be allowed to see what hell was like? Dont see why not said St Peter. St Peter led the way to a massive wooden doorway. This is hell he said. He opened the big wooden doors and ushered the soldier inside. The soldier looked around - a huge hall, with a massive wooden table in the centre, laden with food and goodies of all types, colours, flavours, from all the different cuisines of the world. But all around the table were hundreds and hundreds of unhappy people, dying of starvation and misery. In amazement the soldier looked more closely - tied to their hands were chopsticks five feet long, and they could not be removed. Time and again the desperate people managed to pick up a little bit of food at the end of the chopsticks, but no matter how hard they tried the morsels of food fell to the ground - it was impossible to feed oneself with the chopsticks. So everyone starved.
Ok said the soldier, I get the idea, thank you. Will you take me to heaven now? St Peter led the way.
Down the corridor they went and stopped outside a similar set of heavy wooden doors. Without even opening the doors from inside they could hear the sound of happiness and laughter. St Peter started to open the doors but the ex soldier stopped him. No chopsticks he asked. Look for yourself said St Peter. He opened the door and the ex soldier could see for himself. Inside was a familiar scene; the same type of table, masses of food on it, hundreds of people with chopsticks five feet long attached to their hands. But they were not starving. They worked together in pairs taking it in turn to feed and help each other. That indeed was heaven. Thank you said the ex soldier and looking at his hands found that he too now had chopsticks attached to them, but unconcerned he went into the big hall amongst all the happiness and laughter and St Peter shut the door.
OFP, I don't think you're the bad guy. I just don't agree with you. I'm sure there will be other times when I will agree with you.
I would like you to quote my “edits” and explain what you believe my “perspective” is.
That would be difficult since I haven’t said anything about it, except for my disappointment with my country’s naivety and short memory.
What deported Mullah by the way?
you are very wrong ......
.....I am most certainly......... a bad guy.....
• Dark clouds, blood red sunset in a gash below. Whatever possesses a man to do such things? (And what do we mean by ‘possess’?
• Shaken equilibrium. We are all liable to make errors. A time for strength in calm.
• I inhale the perfume of my favourite tree (pseudo jasmine) as I pass. No madness can undermine its truth.
It's tragic and that's all that matters to me.
Certainly, this is a time when our thoughts are with those people affected by the tragedy.
I ought to add, though, that I also found your blog confusing. It does come across as though you initially thought this was the work of islamic terrorists, and that such terrorism was the threat to which your country was being naive - hence the title. Apologies if I am mistaken, but I am just making you aware of this possible interpretation.
In fact it appears to be the work of a right-wing crank - something that you say has happened before in Norway. But how can a society prevent a crank going on a killing spree? I can see only one way of minimising the damage, and that is to make it as hard as possible to get hold of guns.
I wrote mostly of Islamic terrorists because they have been the most apparent threat lately, they have issued direct threats towards Norway for some time now. The rightwing groups have been mostly silent and inactive lately so I did not give them much space.
Guns are strictly controlled in Norway, so the terrorist could safely run around and kill youths on that island for one and a half hour before he was stopped.
Stricter gun laws would of course not hindered the terrorist at all.
PM me and I will probably tell you why...
Prop, the Bad
People will question how this could have been prevented, and inevitably gun laws will come under scrutiny, as will the availability of bomb-making materials. The acquisition of weapons would have been a key part of his plan, and although the existing laws may be strict, it is an obvious angle to address.
But given your own lack of surprise, how do you think your country could have prepared better for this type of atrocity?
I also think that there will be restrictions on fertilizers and certain chemicals, at least supliers will be expected to report new customers and customers buying large quantities.
How to stop these things happening ? That will not be easy, especially stopping lone wolfs like this guy. He claims that he is part of an large international organisation, but that each member execute their mission alone or at least in as small groups as possible. There are no easy answers to the problem, but shutting down one of the best rapid response unit in the Army was probably not the smartest thing to do. I do not know if they would have done any difference in this exact situation, but It says a lot about the attitude towards terrorist actions.
In 2006 Statsbygg, an governmental organisation who among other thing are responsible for assessing security threats agains government buildings delivered an report to the government. One of many things they pointed a,t was the fact that one certain road leading into the building complex was very difficult to monitor and that parking an car bomb where that road ended would be the optimal spot to park a car bomb if you wanted to attack the governmental buildings.
They suggested that it should be placed an manned bar or gate there. There where rabid protests from the politicians, it was a waste of money without any reason. It would only scare people unnecessarily. This discusions were also held in public. Guess where the terrorist placed the bomb.
I guess that says a lot about the attitude among Norwegian politicians.
The first step to protect us would have been to accept the fact that it could happen.
I try not to get involved in conversations of this kind on here. Sometimes I get suckered in, mainly because I have some sincerely held sociological beliefs that bubble restlessly to the surface when confronted with certain opinions. I still try to walk away before things get too involved. This to me is a literary forum, a place to develop my writing and to interact with others holding the same ambitions, not a place to spout.
However.
What you’ve posted recently about the Norwegian massacre has weighed heavily. Your constructed beliefs have enabled you to assume that what has happened somehow entitles Norway to a degree of opprobrium since in your view, Norway has been wrong in its political stance over the past decade; a decade in which nations that have signed up to the post-9/11 Nato charter have seen their people eaten up by the machine of war and revenge. Norway has seen none of this, not recently, nor since the second world war. This doesn’t make it right. It also doesn’t make it wrong. It makes it a country with its own opinion and methodologies.
Therefore to express an opinion that seeks to project negativity on this nation at this time is crass, self-serving and just plain wrong. It suggests a person of little emotional intelligence; this forum is not an appropriate place for such sentiment.
This is, of course, just my view and who am I to dictate the views of others? However, I couldn’t, just couldn’t, let some of your comments pass without registering my revulsion, perhaps shared by some, and without asking, politely, that you try to resist the urge to appear contentious for its own sake. At best it’s dull, and has no real place here.
It is my opinion an that of several who have PM'd me that Kha's original post has been significantly altered via his editing.
Therefore my attack on his original position of trying to blend his opinions of national political matters in Norway with this criminal event can never be addressed in context.
I have expressed my empathy for the victims of this several times and it continues to be ignored by the likes of you.
I have experssed my discontent with Kha's view of nartional political decisions in Norway given their refusal tro honour their international treaty commitments.
and I have expressed my dismay at the lack of recognition here by all but a select few that Kha has moved well off his original anit islamic stance and his discontent with Norways' approach to that issue by significantly editting his original post.
that is three points and any journalist will tell you that most people cannot digest more than one concept in any news article so I have failed in that by expressing so many.
I have deliberately typed this slowly in the vain hope that you will be able to keep up with play.
you have your PC goggles on and are unalbe to actually read what is being written by me. And of course with the quickl editting of Kha, no one stands a chance to maintain a context here.
I admire your ability to inspire a witch hunt and I look forward to any further confontations. the several who have PM'd me have warned me about the likes of such here who bay like hounds in the name of political correctness at people like me who are willing to indentify bullshit when I see it.
You're bored now...
Its true about making more than one concept in any conversation....they just can't follow.....
sorry to have strained you....
As for this blog, I believe that Khaloth did not alter his post (apart from the section he added on the end). I believe, OFP, that you mis-read the original post because of your personal feelings about Norway and when challenged on them, you went back, re-read what was there and when you found that it didn't say what you thought it had said, you decided it must have been rewritten. You say that people have PM'd you to agree with you - well, I invite them to post here and tell me exactly what was rewritten in K's blog because I, and several others, are sure that nothing has changed. K's blog is, and always has been, an expression of sadness not a political statement. Your posts, on the other hand, (both on this blog and the one you started today) have been provocative, insensitive and, at times, offensive. My opinion, of course.
As stated, a lot of information can get confusing, so maybe that’s what has happened.
We’re being disrespectful discussing all this crap when so many people have died. It’s sickening to be honest.
I sincerely hope that any families affected by this tragedy never read this blog.
We should be sending our love and support.
The same as Skylark. I'm not posting this to aggravate the situation as apart from sending my thoughts I didn't want to get involved. I sincerely hope that this stops now. It's offensive and very disrespectful to Khaloth and the victims of the attack.
Kha has been proven to have altered his post without delaring it. He has admitted to having issues with Norway's policy towards islamic fundamentalism.
Personally I think Kha may be dissapointed that Al Queda did not perpetraint this act. I think his expressed (until next edit) views about Norways "Niave" (his words) policies towards islamic fundmentalism are out of place here and coming from Norway are grossly and ironcially out of place.
Unlike many here I have never had a problem admitting when I am wrong.
And I am comfortable wiht having people mad at me. I have annoyed whole continents.
I will be glad when this issue passes but I will not stand back and be ridiculed by people who read once sentance and develope a point of view on a whole article.
I value your opinion however and will try to make my points with more sensitivity when I am communcating with sencient beings such as yourself.
The mouth-foamers however can expect normal service.
(my spell checker has gone to bed)
does this mean you are not going to vote for me in this month's writting comp?
Prop McNabb
OFP, you say,"Kha has been proven to have altered his post without delaring it." Well that is patently not true; what proof?
You say, "Unlike many here I have never had a problem admitting when I am wrong." Possibly not quite the same thing, but you have still not apologised for your original comment on this blog which many found so offensive. The nearest you have come to that is to say you "will try to make my points with more sensitivity" as part of an otherwise disparaging statement.
To DG you said, "I have expressed my empathy for the victims of this several times and it continues to be ignored by the likes of you." Well, on this particular issue I am "the likes of DG", and as you know, on your other blog I acknowledged those statements of yours. But there you pointed out that 'empathy is not sympathy'. So not only do you not wish to apologise for appearing unsympathetic, but you were prepared to re-enforce that position. So you're not really giving very much for "the likes of DG" to ignore anyway, are you?
You say, "I have annoyed whole continents." Much as it would be tempting to believe that - sorry, no. I think you are getting ideas beyond your capability. (OK, I expect you made that remark facetiously, but in your next sentence you say, "I will not stand back and be ridiculed by people who read once sentence and develope a point of view on a whole article." Not that I've seen any evidence of that, but if you're prepared to write a ridiculous sentence you can't complain if it's ridiculed.)
And now its a new day, with new beginnings.... can we make it so?
Kha has admitted in later posts when pressed on the matter that he did indeed alter the original post by insertion of the photos and i think adding details of the island attack which were not known at the time of his original post. that is far different from adding and editing notice at the bottom of a post when new information is added. However, give Kla's fondness for editing that to may be gone now.
I am not the only one who has made that observation. the others who have PM'd me have declined to enter into into this public debate due to the vitriol given here by the "gentle people" towards anything which challenges their fluffy world.
My remarks were based on his original post which has now been altered. therefor the context you wish to find so offending no longer exist.
However, I do not expect you to let these facts get in your way in your pursuit of what ever eye rolling ideals you represent.
Again after looking at your blogs to get an understnading of your general point of view, particularly your classic "Stupid Sluts". I am pleased that we disagree at such fundalmental levels.
edited for some (but not all spelling errors....
Prop, the wicker man
Not many here in the Cotwolds.....
Seen a few on a bus in North London once though...
this bit from your profile helped me understand your posts more than anything else.
"Your worst habit? Knowing I'm right. When I'm not. "
Alles Klar
First of all, this is not a witch hunt and there has been no vitriol. We have merely disagreed strenuously with your stance. In fact, in the face of several offensive, facetious remarks from yourself, I would say that our responses have, in the most part, been calm and dignified. I did not ask for your secret supporters to come forward so that I could jump on them but merely because I am baffled by your stance and I am genuinely interested in hearing someone else agree with you and give me proof that K changed his original post. The fact that none of them have posted suggests to me that either they do not exist, or they have as little proof as you do to back you your claims.
Again and again you have misinterpreted quotes from K's blog and his responses. In his blog he says:
"Islamic groups have threatened Norway many times. Several people have been arrested and bomb materials have been confiscated. Not long ago there was a terrorist attack in neighbouring Sweden.
There have even been bombings in Norway before. Those bombings were on a much smaller scale and done by rightwing extremists."
This was merely a list of all the threats there have been against Norway in recent years which was followed by the sentence "Still, the main reaction in Norway has been surprise." In other words, despite all these threats (Islamic and Right Wing), for some reason, his country is still surprised that something like this could have happened. There is no mention at all there about policy.
Similarly in his responses he says:
"We do not know who is behind the attack, but Islamists are the popular choice of suspects. But we should not assume anything. Historically, all bomb attacks in Norway has been done by rightwing extremists." In other words, although many Norwegians immediately thought of Islamic extremists, he did not make assumptions and in fact was more inclined to believe that it was a right wing extremist. And his next response, when it was clear the perpetrator was Norwegian, also kept an open mind, still made no assumptions.
His next comment: "I am watching the news now; they have confirmed that the arrested man is part of an extremist rightwing organisation. The scenes from the bombed area are shocking to most Norwegians, but to me they are eerily familiar. I have walked through the streets of Beirut and patrolled the southern parts of Lebanon. I have seen ruins in Israel, but now I see the same scenes in my own capital. This is sad but not surprising. All terrorist bombings in Norway have been done by Norwegians, but this is on an unprecedented scale. Life goes on, but the innocence is gone." Again, states nothing about policy but expresses sadness about what has happened but expresses a lack of surprise that it could happen. In other words, he is saying that the threats that have been against his country for some time were bound to come to something at some point.
His next response: "When I wrote this blog the perpetrator was unknown. People where assuming it was Islamist terror.
People was raging against immigrants, condemning the government for letting Muslims live in Norway. Racist messages was abundant in social media. This was the punishment for letting religious extremists into Norway. Yes, the terrorist was a religious fanatic, but he was a Christian fanatic. He was a racist, raging against immigrants and attacking Islam. He was the enemy within." The only reference to policy here is a remark attributed to other people. He does not say that he himself believes this just that in the aftermath, many people in Norway got angry about a lot of things and much of that anger was directed towards Islamic extremism and the government allowing them into the country. He quite clearly attributes this opinion to "people" not himself.
You then argued that the attack was not terrorism and he argues that it was because of the perpetrator's clear political aims. Again, K referred to politics in terms of someone else's beliefs, not his own.
In one of his last responses he says: "When I wrote the blog, I was irritated by Norway’s naivety towards terrorism, period. What kind of terrorism was not interesting to me, terrorism is terrorism." Note that he says he's irritated by Norway's naivety, not the naivety of the Norwegian government. He is expressing surprise that the Norwegian people did not see this coming.
And I know you do not agree that this is terrorism but that again is a point of perspective. As far as I am concerned, though the man may well be a "nutter", he deliberately perpetrated acts designed to create kill and create terror in the name of political ideals, therefore he is a terrorist.
I really do not know what else to say. I suspect that I have probably wasted my time putting this together because I don't think it will matter what I say on this matter, you have made your mind up about the argument you want to have. As I said at the beginning, I strenuously disagree with you but this is not a witch hunt, nor am I spouting vitriol (and nor has anyone else!) I think I will have to go back to a point a made a while a go and suggest that we agree to disagree. Of course, I am a reasonable person. If you, or anyone else, would like to provide proof that K has changed his blog or that I have in some way misinterpreted what he has said, then I am more than willing to listen. But if it's just going to be more of the same offensive, facetious remarks, then I'm not interested.
I honestly believe that you are sincere in your belief of your perceptions here.
Just as I am. this puts us in an impass and things can only (and have) deteriorated from here.
I will (try to) refrain from further comment on this topic but I will struggle with people who have more opinions than experience of lifes' darker side of things.
Also please do not take offense at my banter with tony and GD, those comments are not meant to reflect our civilized disagreement and refer to my battle of wits with those unarmed opponents.
So, in respect to Noodles' astonishing and embarrasing comments comparing our intransigence with that of NI (that being idiots like me on both sides who make bad things worse) I will stand back and give you last word here.
Regards,
Prop, the great compromiser
Mac
Skylark, thank you for actually reading my blog. My plan was to write a long comment trying to explain again, what my blog was all about. I do not need to do that now. Read skylarks last comment, she has hit the nail firmly on the head.
OFP writes.
“Kha has admitted in later posts when pressed on the matter that he did indeed alter the original post by insertion of the photos and I think adding details of the island attack which were not known at the time of his original post.”
I will state this again, I have not changed anything in the blog, and I have just added the bit at the end.
If you want to read the original blog without the added bit, you can just visit The Temple of Nyarlathotep. Direct link to the blog here. http://nyarlathotep.socialgo.com/members/profile/8/blog-view/blog_79.html
I advice anyone who wishes to comment this blog to actually read it all, from start to finish before doing so.
Again thank you all for your sympathy and support it is very much appreciated
And I agree with Roger: I'm an optimist. People with Breivik's single-minded evil intent are rare.
The speculation about Islamic terrorists, prior to the facts emerging, was unfortunate and sadly ironic, since it seems to have been a ‘fear of muslims’ that contributed to the killer's actions.
Only those with no memory or experience of how armed forces and civilians alike may be called upon to die in their thousands to clear up a mess created by weak and prevaricating governments would accuse OFP of being crass. He is a Former Legionnaire and was commenting from a soldier's point of view. I have known and still know many veterans of WW2 who would have said "Amen to that." Not one of them could be accused of being heartless.
I too am glad the perpetrator was not given publicity for his nauseating political views.
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