The Cruddy Daily Mail

Published by: Weens on 9th Jan 2010 | View all blogs by Weens
My blood is boiling folks. The supposedly reputable Daily Mail is running a poll asking, Is ME a genuine/real illness?

Can you believe it? They wouldn't ask if any other illness was genuine. Now I know why they call it the Invisible illness. This type of thing does nothing to help awareness and it filters through to whoever decides where the money goes for research. Obviously, it is close to home, so I am more incensed than any of you will be. Some of my ME chums are compiling a dossier, with vignettes of how our lives have been affected, to send to the Dail Mail. I have also written to the editorial staff. If any of you feel like voting, I would be very grateful.

Here is the link.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/polls/poll.html?pollId=1015226


A big thank you to all of you that do vote.

Edwina xx

Comments

27 Comments

  • maryluv
    by maryluv 2 years ago
    Weens, no-one believes anything printed in the Daily Mail. Journalists are the biggest fantasists in the world, so I wouldn't get wound up about it.

    You do, however, have my support!
  • Marion
    by Marion 2 years ago
    I'll vote! I'll vote for anything I will! I'm incensed too oh yes I am! As a matter of fact, I've just lit Opium incense. Weeeeee! Bought it at Hartenbos fleamarket - you can get anything there. xxx
  • Inktrailer
    by Inktrailer 2 years ago
    I've voted Edwina and am very happy to see the majority has said YES. Whoever came up with that poll is a complete moron, I understand where you're coming from as I've heard similar ignorance over other subjects. Unfortunately there are people in the media who are as dumb as my socks, but anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows they're talking rubbish.
    xx
  • norman normington
    by norman normington 2 years ago
    Its Election year and they want to get on side the 'send em back where they come from, no benefits except for my dear old gran, bring back national service, kill the unemployed, bomb France' brigade.
    I would say its a journalistic toe in the water, notice how they do this under the guise of a survey as they are too chicken to make the statement themselves.
    Perhaps my kneecap missing is all in my head?
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 2 years ago
    I agree with Maryluv - I wouldn't believe anything written in the Mail. All newspapers are in serious trouble because of loss of readership which leads to loss of advertising revenue. So they feel they have to print articles that will whip up opinion and give them some lovely publicity. And the Mail really tries hard to do this. Look at the complaints about the Jan Moir piece after Stephen Gateley died.

    Yes, I've voted. And I've also had a quick look online at some of the other stories they're running. One of the headlines on today's Femail page, which gets lots of hits each day, is 'Spruce up your home…and spice up your marriage. More housework means more sex for couples'. That is the level they're aiming for. Very intellectually stimulating, isn't it?

    It may help to remember the old adage that today's newspaper is tomorrow's fish and chip wrappings.

    xxx
  • Tony
    by Tony 2 years ago
    I've just voted, Weens (Yes, of course). I gave up reading newspapers about 20 years ago; they're such a waste of time. Ok, yes, there are some good articles and even some good news coverage, but the percentage is so low that I decided it was just not worth it. Before I gave them up, there was one group of 'news' items I never read: the ones that started, "It is widely believed...", "Sources near to the PM suggest..." "What are we to understand by..." These are all followed by columns and columns of pure speculation. I always waited until the next day or the day after, when the same story is repeated in full, but this time with the accurate details of what had by then actually taken place. For the same reason, I never listen to the weather forecasts :-)
  • SecretSpi
    by SecretSpi 2 years ago
    I've just gritted my teeth to get over my horror of going anywhere near that rag's website and voted! I agree with Tony. Since I left the UK 14 years ago, I have watched all the national papers decline into the gutter. Even the once quality papers are so full of tosh and twaddle I can't be bothered. And looking in from abroad, their arrogant jingoistic attitude would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 2 years ago
    As with Secretspi, I have shuddered through my horror of having to even admit that I know what the Daily Mail is and voted for you Weens. You know they've only done it to get all sensible-minded people out there lathered into an irate frenzy. It's a form of mind control. (Must. not. rant. must. not. rant.) ;-)
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 2 years ago
    I tried voting more than once but it seems that they are slightly more intelligent than I bargained for and it doesn't work. Poo.
  • CJ
    by CJ 2 years ago
    Ahhh, good old Nanny State Daily, that bastion of objective reporting. I actually love reading their stories due for all the wrong (right?!) reasons - watching people get so het up over things they obviously know nothing about is just too amusing for me. They ran something similar about depression (I only knew of it because my father mentioned it to me when I was suffering from a prolonged bout) - about how it's 'all mind over matter' etc - totally and utterly NOT helpful in any way shape or form, especially when it comes to getting people to understand your condition. ME, like depression, is a crippling ILLNESS, and to even suggest anything else is just repulsive.
  • Weens
    by Weens 2 years ago
    Thank you all so much for your support. Like Tony and SS, I gave up reading newspapers some time ago. This was brought to my attention by the Action for ME page on Facebook. I have written to the chief executive of the company that owns the Daily Mail, but I do not expect a reply. Thanks for voting everyone, I can't tell you how much I appreciate your support.
  • Weens
    by Weens 2 years ago
    Thanks for your support Jill, I think you can still vote.
  • Inzie
    by Inzie 2 years ago
    sorry i missed this - i didn't realise there was a democratic element to the existence of conditions - I won't babble on about mine but i've experienced the same. I'm pretty sure spangles is right - they'll publish any old nonsense to keep them going - is this worth pursuing through disability discrimination legistlation? You/ people with M.E. have been made to feel uncomfortable due to the fact you have a condition - you've been singled out - just a thought.

    chris
  • Weens
    by Weens 2 years ago
    I had a response to my mail, saying that a junior member of staff posted the poll, and it has been pulled. Regardless of the cause they did not deny ME exists. The Mail are on the side of ME being a psychological illness despite the world health organisation classing it as a neurological illness.
  • Mandalore_15
    by Mandalore_15 2 years ago
    I have to say I don't know much about ME, but a number of relatives of mine are doctors and from what I can tell there is a lot of doubt in scientific circles about it - some feeling that it exists and some not. Apparently most cases of ME have been cured with a regimen of anti-depressants and exercise, which would suggest it is psychological and probably just a bad case of depression. I think more research should be done though.


    Anyway, please don't take anything I've said as an affront, I just thought you might find it useful to hear what I'd heard from medical circles. I do think it's quite unfair for the Mail to engage in a campaign against those with it. Even if it were only a psychological illness and not neurological, it would still be an illness. I think a lot of lessons need to be learned in society about depressive disorders, as it's not a simple case of "bucking your ideas up" as most people believe.
  • Weens
    by Weens 2 years ago
    I can assure you it is not depression. I have had depression from having ME and as I said, I can assure you it is NOT DEPRESSION. I get so annoyed with medical people that ignore directives from the world health organisation. When I became ill 11 years ago, my doctor at the time, made me exercise, which is the very worst thing you can do with ME. It makes you worse. Consequently, I finished up bedbound, unable to even go to the toilet without help, light sensitive, I had to lie in a darkened room at all times, and Sound sensitive, people couldn't speak to me in more than a whisper, aside from that there is the constant pain, the brain fog, the flu like feeling, and the never ending fatigue which is like nothing else on earth.

    My ME consultant said that had they got their hands on me at the beginning, I wouldn't be as bad, but because I had a bigot that thought ME and depression were the same thing, he made me worse. I am now housebound, in constant pain, constantly fatigued and feel like I have bad flu permanently, the one thing I am not, is depressed. I have been on anti depressants in the past, for depression. I am not on them now as I am not depressed, and the single worst thing I could do is exercise. If I do slightly too much, I get what is called payback fatigue. So all these bigoted medics continue to call the world health organisation liars, and we, the ME sufferers pay for it. This is exactly what they did with MS thirty years ago.
  • Mandalore_15
    by Mandalore_15 2 years ago
    I think it's a bit much to call them "bigotted"; at the end of the day it all just comes down to experience. You've obviously had a very bad one and I'm sorry for that. And again, I don't know much about the disease at all, just telling you what I've heard. My mum has had a number of patients complaining of ME with some of the symptoms you described and they have all got better with anti-depressants, exercise etc. I think it just shows that more work needs to be done before we fully understand it.
  • Weens
    by Weens 2 years ago
    When you still have doctors who say ME doesn't exist, as the first doctor that treated me did, what chance do you stand. The touble is, it is a fairly new illness and the interesting thing is that the majority of people that have it are children. Are they depressed?
  • Mandalore_15
    by Mandalore_15 2 years ago
    I wouldn't know, but it's possible I guess. I suffered from dysthymia from when I was about ten up until I was fifteen, so depression does occur in children.

    I think the problem is just a lack of any clear research on the disorder. As such, there will be people with "real" ME, and there may be those who say to their doctor they have ME but in reality are just tired because they are depressed. Lack of knowledge about cause and the ability to tell the difference will cause doctors who have not encountered real ME to be sceptical (they are only human after all). The fact that it's a new disease is certainly going to add to it, because if it isn't caused by a pathogen entering the body, there will always be questions as to why people never got it before. When this happens, scientists often look for societal/mental causes, as they change far more rapidly than human physioligy.

    Anyways, no offence to you or any sufferers. I have no doubt that ME exists in some form and has affected many people; all I'm saying is I don't think you should discount a possible psychological cause for the condition. Mental illness is the most poorly understood area of medicine after all. Most of us understand very little of our own minds, and classifications of mental disorders are changing all the time.
  • Weens
    by Weens 2 years ago
    You are right there. Actually a lab in the US having completed a very long trial, say they have found the cause and it is an MXRV retro virus (see one of my earlier posts on this). The same virus that mutates into Aids. The UK dispute this, but the US say that they haven't used the same conditions so their trial has been negated.
  • Mandalore_15
    by Mandalore_15 2 years ago
    Ah right, I hadn't heard about that study. How do they think the virus is transmitted?

    And yes, scientific communities can get a bit tetchy about these things. When national institutions work separately instead of together it can make things more difficult as one criticises the other. It may be a while before we discover who's research is right. =S
  • Weens
    by Weens 2 years ago
    http://www.thewordcloud.org/magazine/read/-xmrv-retro-virus_1259.html
    This is the link to a previous blog which has a video re this virus. It's quite interesting, give it a look.
  • Wrathnar the Unreasonable
    I've never read the daily mail, and probly never will. I've heard of ME, it seems to be related to the immune system failing to recover from viral infections - is that right? Sorry to hear you suffer from this. Hope I'm not out of place saying this, but have you tried propolis (bee glue)? Not as a cure, obviously, but as a general tonic/boost. It's been used since ancient times, recommended by the 'Picatrix' of medeival witchcraft, no less! I use it when I'm post-viral, and it works wonders.
  • Eshka
    by Eshka 2 years ago
    Can I just add something? Firstly, Weens, I'll go and vote as soon as I've finished this post.
    Secondly, I'd like to say that while it's true that mental illnesses are very poorly understood, the same applies for neurological illnesses especially as new mutations are occuring all the time. I have experience in both areas, albeit limited, and I would actually suggest that there is more known about mental health problems than there is clear information on neurological diseases and illnesses.

    For example, my daughter suffers from numerous physical disabilities which are thought to have been caused by a neurological disorder. She also becomes tired easily, quickly agitated and frustrated. Now, she was diagnosed with scoliosis and hip dysplasia two years ago, but as for the 'neurological disorder' - we're no further forward.

    With someone who displays signs of mental illness, there are options available for treatment (though I will say that these are not always selected or executed with much professionalism, and I say that based on factual experience). For those who suffer from undiagnosed potential neurological disorders, there is no real option until their condition is satisfactorily defined. All they get is months upon months, possibly years of genetic tests and various other medical investigations. And in the case of ME, this is particularly true - it hasn't been thoroughly defined. That doesn't detract from it's validity as a neurological problem. I don't doubt that it may well be a combination of both - psychological and neurological - but again, these two stems are very closely related. But I am an advocate of justifying these 'new' illnesses, of course they exist! Nothing in this world remains stagnant, and that includes ailments of all kinds.
  • Cazza
    by Cazza 2 years ago
    've just seen this and wanted to comment. I've met three people who've been diagnosed with ME. Two of which are 'fine' now - I don't know if it's something that comes back.

    The first person, is a good friend and I watched her decline in the space of a few weeks. Some days she just couldn't get out of bed, others she'd be able to push herself to get to work, but always she'd feel dreadful. It turned out, unbeknown to anyone other than her son and daughter, that her partner was extremely abusive, and as they didn't live together it would be the days or a couple of days before he was due to come over to see her that her body would basically collapse. It took her a good couple of years to recover from this, long after the court case where he was sent to prison for several attacks on her.

    Another woman, the wife of a work colleague, discovered her business partner had taken out loans for the business without her knowing and ended up owing thousands. When she found out, the same thing happened to her, her body just wouldn't and couldn't cope with getting out of bed. She obviously had some days better than others because she got pregant and it was that, that changed everything for her, her body just seemed to snap back into action.

    The third person is the father of one of my daughter's friends. He has suffered for years with ME. Sometimes he can go for weeks, repairing cars in his garage (his business) other times he can barely open his eyes. He too suffered a massive emotional trauma - his wife left him with three kids when the youngest was only 5. That was 15 years ago and he's still suffering both physically and emotionally.

    I don't know whether these traumas have been the cause of their ME or a trigger that sets something off that's already in you - I don't know. What I do know is all three of these people have had to show great courage, motivation and self discipline to face their everyday lives and to try to cure themselves because so many people brush ME off as a made-up illness, or have no idea how dibilitating it can be.
  • Grace Wastelands
    by Grace Wastelands 2 years ago
    The Daily Mail is nothing but a disgrace. The newspaper has more complaints than any other UK tabloid.
    I have disliked the daily mail from my 4th year in high school, a very stereotypical article on the "Emo" music culture was published by Sarah Sands. Numerous more on the same topic have been published since. Now i tend to ignore anything that is published in it.
    I was going to vote on that poll but it seems to have been removed. My advice to anyone is to simply avoid The Daily Mail like the plague. Nothing decent can come out of that ridiculous paper.
  • BlueDiamondMist
    by BlueDiamondMist 2 years ago
    Hi Weens, only just read this so sorry late response. I am way beyond what personal opinions people have of this medical condition and at the end of the day, thats all it is, someone's opinion. Please don't let it get you down, I can imagine how you felt about that article but don't let it worry you. They obviously needed to fill a gap in the paper before printing :o)
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