Use of Language

Published by: AlanP on 23rd Apr 2012 | View all blogs by AlanP
Some of you may remember I mentioned a plan to print and sell the only children’s story I have ever written, or am ever likely to. That plan still exists and I hope to identify a suitable printer soon. It is an illustrated book and I need help as I don’t know the waters at all and illustrated printing is not the same as normal printing. I believe help is at hand though and that particular problem will be resolved. I am doing this because:
 
1. My father illustrated it and I’d like him to see it
2. Although it needs a bit of work, because I don’t see many silly little moral stories for young children any longer
3. Because I can.
4. I do not expect to make any money, btw.

In the meantime a small number of people have read it, including a couple of primary school teachers to their classes and a few parents of young children. The feedback is almost universally that they like it and that the children engage with and enjoy the story and that they love the MC. But it has been consistently mentioned that one or two of the words/sentences are a bit hard for the children. Despite indications to the contrary I do listen to advice and criticism and I have been wondering about this. You see I have fairly strong feelings about dumbing down and not challenging young minds. When I was at school I was in a large group of children that were not challenged at all. The only one that had any expectations of me was, I believe, me. By some miracle I ultimately managed to surface and get noticed and went to gain some academic achievement. So I have a point to make that young minds should be taken out for a trot occasionally.

As I approach the time when I hope a printer will be identified I am stroking my chin over these few difficult sentences. I suspect they will stay as they are, but at this moment I just don’t know.

I am not a particular fan of Will Self. In fact, having read a couple of his books and rather more of his newspaper articles I have to confess that I am quite the opposite. But you have to admire his refusal to be swayed by criticism and in the article on the end of the link at the foot of this little note, I think he has a point. I am in unusual territory as I find I am agreeing with him on his use of challenging language. There is a little test in this article, halfway down on the right. Nine “difficult words”. I scored six.
Why not have a go and ‘fess up below.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17777556

Comments

23 Comments

  • AlanP
    by AlanP 1 year ago
    I failed on Grue, Argot and Solipsism, btw. I knew the last but couldn't remember it until I saw the answer.
  • Joshua Lux
    by Joshua Lux 1 year ago
    I blanked on 'grue,' 'ineluctable' and 'milt.' Both grue and ineluctable are excellent words that I'm glad I learned (grue wasn't even in my electronic dictionary - the first word it's failed to find). I may struggle to incorporate milt into my speech or writing, however. I don't know how often I'm going to be mentioning fish spunk.
  • Joshua Lux
    by Joshua Lux 1 year ago
    I'm also going to start dropping 'recherche' like it's hot.
  • Bren
    by Bren 1 year ago
    Love rechereche! I failed on same words as you Alan.
    Re your words in your children's book. Are they old fashioned? I had to change some of mine and my grandchildren found it difficult just because I had used Ma and Pa!
    Perhaps you could put it on here and get comments. It would seem a shame to do all the work and it not be read.
  • AlanP
    by AlanP 1 year ago
    I rather like bedizened and am trying to engineer a way to use it :)

    Bren, they are not old fashioned words, even though I am pretty creaky myself these days. But to be honest, what if they were? My point is about education. Doing only what is easy is not the way to anything worthwhile. Shakespeare is old fashioned yet no-one suggests that it should now read:

    "The bitch is lying" rather than "Methinks the lady doth protest too much", for example

    It won't be put it up here for various reasons. Not least being that I don't post stuff here that I hope to get published any longer. Also that it's an illustrated book and that would be a quite clunky thing to achieve.

    If a child doesn't understand something then they can ask and with luck have the word explained. Isn't that how education works?

    It will be read, or at least it will be printed, and it should make it to some shelves as I have already received encouragement from some of the shops that I hope will carry it. As I don't have to rely on an agent or a publisher I can just do it. I am going it alone after all.
  • Jill
    by Jill 1 year ago
    I definitely believe in 'stretching' children in that sense, AP, and I love unusual words. They add richness to our language.

    Good luck with the book - your Dad will be proud, I'm sure. :)
  • SecretSpi
    by SecretSpi 1 year ago
    Unless "grue" is in there, go for it! My son was given a boxed set of Beatrix Potter when he was about 5 by my mum and he loved them, even though they're full of tricky words - "soporific" is a famous one!
  • AlanP
    by AlanP 1 year ago
    I can confirm the absence of grue. Did Miss Potter use a lot of long words? I made it through childhood without. Rather like going to the flight deck, it's something you should do only as a child, so I have no easy reference.
  • Bren
    by Bren 1 year ago
    Yes, Alan I agree with stretching children's minds. Quite a picture that conjures up but you get the gist. Good luck with it.
  • Squidge
    by Squidge 1 year ago
    Alan - not sure of the ages of the children your book had been 'tested' on...but as a volunteer in school helping kids to improve their reading, I'd say go with whatever you feel is right.
    If your story is being read TO children, then the children should still get the gist of the story even with an odd word they don't understand (and any teacher/helper worth their weight will pick up on unfamiliar words, ask if the child understands what it means and then explain if need be!)
    If it is for children to read BY THEMSELVES, then hopefully they will have the confidence to ask about meaning or the nowse to pick up a dictionary to find out.
    If it's too hard for them, they won't read it anyway.
    If, as writers, we always play it safe and stick to what we are told children can already read, how the heck will the children ever improve their vocabulary?
    I'll get down off my soapbox now...
  • Gerilyn
    by Gerilyn 1 year ago
    I read all of Beatrix Potter stories to my children and they- esp me loved them. Her stories are full of lovely phrases that aren't in today's "Biff, Chip and Kipper books". I find that if a child doesn't know what something means- they will ask. Also, there is a difference between books intended to teach children how to read and books intended to be read as bedtime stories. I am not a teacher but I am a mum and I agree that it does no harm to introduce children to 'long words' at an early age.
  • Gerilyn
    by Gerilyn 1 year ago
    I should also point out that I read your story to my boys and they loved it. The language didn't phase them at all. It's nice to read something at bedtime that's not mind numbingly boring- and silly. James- who's 6 was particularly interested in all the insect drawings (he's of the age where he collects beetles in a bucket and makes them a house in the garden). :D
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 1 year ago
    Well, as a teacher of 5-7 year olds, my argument in favour of your point of view would be that we can't expect children to expand their vocabulary if we're avoiding using any words they don't understand! I adapt my language when appropriate during lessons but mostly I address them using my normal vocabularly and if I notice I'm getting blank faces, I pause and ask if anyone knows what xxx means. We then briefly discuss the word and either I, or another child, will explain the meaning and then we move on. And by doing that, I hope that I'm expanding their own personal thesaurus. My mum's method was a little more maddening. If I asked what does xxx mean she replied, without fail, "look it up in the dictionary". I'm sure that was quite a cunning strategy but it was very annoying when you just wanted a quick answer.
  • AlanP
    by AlanP 1 year ago
    Sky. I'm with your Mum, as it were.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 1 year ago
    I know. I know. I have her to thank for my extensive vocabulary. And I'll probably subject my own children to the same torture when they're old enough ;-)
  • John Taylor
    by John Taylor 1 year ago
    Unusual words add spice when I'm TELLING a story. One that young children pick up on very quickly is NEVERTHELESS. The sheer variety of ways that NEVERTHELESS can trip off the tongue make it a storytelling favourite.
    Skylark, I had a 'look in the dictionary' grandmother!
  • Wrathnar the Unreasonable
    Egregiously thought-provoking blog! There's really nothing in Will Self's article that I disagree with - but, having said that, I read his 'Book of Dave' and found it toe-curlingly pretentious. He tries to write about working class people from such a lofty and patronising perspective that I just wanted to twat him one!

    I agree that it does no harm to stretch children's vocabularies - when I was 9 years old I gained access to adult literature for the first time, and although I often understood not much more than half of what I was reading, that in itself was something I found inspiring. Most of the time I could guess (or half-guess) at the meanings of difficult words from context, and the lack of perfect understanding often fired my imagination in ways that wouldn't have happened had I known the proper (and often mundane) meanings of various words. It's more stimulating to speculate! And a imperfect understanding leaves things more elastic, more pliable, for the young imagination.

    Unless the text of a novel was made up almost exclusively of esoteric, orgulous verbiage, I see no reason why it shouldn't be enjoyable for the intelligent, imaginitive child.
  • Tenacityflux
    by Tenacityflux 1 year ago
    I don't mine Mr Self, he's great fun on Question Time; and as I loath the Brit Art movement as does he, I have some fellow feeling. I have taught kids in school, dash it all, I was even a teacher for a while though in a very unconventional establishment; and I always found that they loved to learn new words. I remember a lovely moment when they were reduced to hysterics by the realization that as disgruntled is a word, so is 'gruntled' ; so I say go for it - we wouldn't tell children that higher maths should never be attempted simply because it's hard and irrelevant to calculating the bill at the end of a meal; so neither should we limit their language to that of the text message.
    I didn't do that well with the list though, to my chagrin, though I knew 'Heliotropic' with it's connection to 'Helios' (Greek God of the Sun as I remember), and Solipsism. I do like grue, that I must work into my day to day speech somehow. Gave me a right grue, innit? TFx
  • John Taylor
    by John Taylor 1 year ago
    Wrath, I had the same trouble with the book of Dave, but Mr Self does at least provoke thought. I can imagine you at nine being like my son. He used to walk around saying words that no one understood. He read them and learned their meaning, but never got round to checking how they might be pronounced. My brain having withered since then, I can't think of an example.
  • Wrathnar the Unreasonable
    I still do that!
  • Mcallan
    by Mcallan 1 year ago
    Great blog yet again Alan!...and hope the book works...it already seems to be popular. I failed on several of the words btw...but like TFx I'm gonna use grue much more!
  • AlanP
    by AlanP 1 year ago
    There is something rather Dickensian in wanting more grue :D
  • Mcallan
    by Mcallan 1 year ago
    Oh good grief!
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