Gutted (aka "a jolly near miss")

Published by: Skylark on 3rd Feb 2012 | View all blogs by Skylark

Well, it was 'no' from the agent. And this time it's a real, definite, don't-send-the-MS-to-me-again kind of 'no'.

For a bit of background, the agent originally read the MS (in a very different guise) way back in 2007. She liked it but pointed me towards a major rewrite which I did whilst figuring out the life-changing-hit-by-a-bus experience of having our first son.

Fast-forward through dirty nappies, sleepless nights and lots and lots of rewriting to early 2009 and this time she really liked the MS but again pointed me towards a rewrite which started out quite minor and became rather major, including the execution of a protaganist and a two-year wrangle with Chapter 1.

Fast-forward again through a family crisis, writer's block, four months of morning sickness (yup, son number 2 coincided with rewrite number 2 - not trying to create a pattern here, honest!), York Festival 2010 (yay!), more dirty nappies, more sleepless nights, a lovely, long, creative maternity leave, a bit of Emma and Debi and some invaluable collaborative editing with fellow Cloudie, John and I really thought that this time, I'd got it right.

And it does appear that I've not got it wrong just not right enough. The main problem for the agent is that she doesn't get the link between my past and present plots - I'm too gutted tonight to know whether or not I agree with her. I've invested 5 years of rewrites in the hope of persuading her to represent me and it feels like I have nothing to show for it.

Though I know that's not really true. The MS I have now is vastly superior to the one she read in 2007 and I have learned a huge amount about writing along the way. And while I lick my wounds, she did finish off with a very positive comment:

"You do have a lovely style though - loads and loads of potential so I'd love you to keep in touch. Any other ideas brewing?"

I do, as it happens, but with two small children in the household, it may be a while yet before the ideas become anything close to an MS.

So, don't mind me if I wibble nonsensically in the corner for most of the weekend. I'm not giving up. It'll be back to business on Monday.

Comments

62 Comments

  • CJ
    by CJ 3 months ago
    Oh, Skylark! I was about to go to bed, but I couldn't read and run... so totally and utterly gutted for you. I really though - I think we all did - that this was going to be The One. I'll be honest, I'm not quite sure what to say... I don't think anything I can say will make you feel any better, so *great big hugs and lots of tea and empathy*. When you're ready, you can always send it out again (if you feel up to it, of course!!).
  • Captain Morgan
    by Captain Morgan 3 months ago
    Oh, Christ, what an eye-opener! I’d always assumed that if an agent requested and read your full then they either 1. Rejected you or 2. Took you on and helped edit whenever they could find time. I didn’t realise they made you re-draft and re-draft before even offering representation...can I assume this was an ‘exclusive’ relationship? Your manuscript was obviously decent, so perhaps the agent should’ve been concerned that someone else might snap you up, instead of toying with your dreams for four years.

    Still, at least you know the talent is there...
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks for the sympathy, Ely. I'll need to take stock before deciding my next move but I'm definitely not giving up! :-)
  • Debi
    by Debi 3 months ago
    Sweetheart, I really feel for you. But ... THIS IS JUST ONE AGENT! Think about it. If she had said yay, that would make you close to unique in being picked up by the only person you had pitched to. Isn't that asking too much of the universe? Yes, it would have been magical and amazing and we would all dancing round the streets celebrating on your behalf, if it had happened.

    Cry your tears. They're justified. It really hurts and how could it not? And then send it out to more agents next week. This is what is is to be an author. Someone once told me that in the US, you are allowed to call yourself an author if you've received 3 rejections. So this is just one step closer. But you'll never get there if you allow this to batter you into submission. Please don't let that happen! Apart from anything else, I know that you have derived an enormous amount of pleasure from the crafting of your book. I bet you wouldn't have changed that if you had the chance to go back and not write it. xx
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Crossed with you Captain Morgan - don't want you thinking badly of the agent here as she's given me invaluable advice over the five years that I've been rewriting for her. Yes, I agreed not to show the MS to anyone else and, in return, she agreed to read it again. I don't think such situations are completely unusual and I entered into the informal agreement with the full knowledge that representation wasn't guaranteed. Still, it is a bit gutting....but thanks for your kind words :-) All salve to the wounds ;-)
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    And crossed with you too, Debi! Thank you - just what I need to hear :-) Not giving up yet!!
  • Old Fat Prop
    by Old Fat Prop 3 months ago
    Could be her business not your book which is unsuitable. Quite cruel that.

    Still, an invaluable learning experinece.

    Sorry mate.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    True, OFP, and thanks.
  • Ali
    by Ali 3 months ago
    feel for you. keep going.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks, Ali :-)
  • Noodledoodle
    by Noodledoodle 3 months ago
    Skylark, so much work. I certainly wouldn't rely on one agent's ideas, please don't give up hope :-)
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks, Noodle. Hope a little diminished but definitely not giving up! :-)
  • Tony
    by Tony 3 months ago
    You write this with a very positive attitude, Skylark, yet it must be so disappointing. But it must also have given you great experience that will stand you in good stead when you are dealing with future agents - and you have certainly got a much improved m/s to send out there to half-a-dozen or so carefully chosen posibilities next Monday (well, maybe Thursday or Friday, if you need a bit if time to research the Writers' and Artists' Year Book again). But send it out you will, I'm sure. And, on top of that, you still have an open door with this sgent when your next novel is ready. You must take great encouragement from that. And you've got two lovely children along the way, to boot! Disappointment, yes, and we all feel for you, but so much that's positive, too. Write on, Skylark!
  • John Taylor
    by John Taylor 3 months ago
    For the rest of you who are commenting, I have seen the book grow from something already completely arresting when I first read it to one of the scariest, most brilliant ghost stories I've ever read. Skylark is a genuinely gifted author, and the fact that she's achieved this while raising a family and teaching is extraordinary. Skylark - you're a fighter - fight on!
  • EmmaD
    by EmmaD 3 months ago
    Oh, Skylark, that is so hard. Huge, huge sympathy (and fellow-feeling, because I've been there and it was the worst rejection I've ever had, of many. AND it was about a parallel narrative problem) Wishing you all the comfort food/drink/shopping that you need. Plus cuddling the bairns is very therapeutic because they know little and care less.

    It's great that you feel you've got a genuinely better book out of it - and an agent who'll pounce on the next thing you write. They don't say "keep in touch" unless they mean it.

    But as Debi says, IT'S ONLY ONE AGENT. Parallel narratives and their ilk are very odd things - reactions vary hugely to them -some adore them, some just never get them, some only get them if the links are big and thick enough to moor the Titanic... which is a classic case of it being worth persevering, because you just never know who'll get it. When you've got your balance again (or run out of chocolate) if it were me I'd whack it out to lots and lots of people.

    But meanwhile, be kind to yourself. You've written a great book, and learnt vast amounts along the way to make future books even better. That's a huge achievement in itself. (if it's any comfort, it was the next batch of subs after my worst-rejection-ever which landed my my present agent. So-near-and-yet-so-far... does also include the word "near"...)
  • Charlie
    by Charlie 3 months ago
    Got nothing constructive to add to all the good comments here, just wanted to send you *hugs and chocolate*. Not that the latter will take away your pain, but it won't make it any worse!

    Oh yeah, and I agree with all the others: do what you gotta do to get over this and then submit it again (preferably to the next five or ten agents on your list).
  • Amarantha
    by Amarantha 3 months ago
    Oh Skylark, the trouble with the itch to write is that it won't let us be when all the time Life hits us with so many other areas in need of a good scratch.

    I know your feelings, Girl, I really do. No matter how 'equal with men' women stoop to be in the shifting world of commerce and politics there is no denying that we are Chief Executives in the miraculous renewel of Life and no calling on earth is more critical than that. Babies are delivered helpless into the arms of their mothers and any woman ignoring so strong a call of Nature would be sad indeed. So ...

    'Wibble' nonsensically all you like in your corner, Sweetheart and I will listen empathetically. You are caught in the eternal woman-dilemma. It's good to get frustrations off your chest but to me, you will never be more vital than you are today.

    Bear in mind that the agency you have been offering your work to may consist of more than one partner ... more than one reader. Agents have a purpose in life and that is to make a living from selling the property of others for a commission (in your case, a creative work of imagination) and although they have a useful service to offer because they know their way around the market, the property remains yours.

    An agent in any other business is paid a percentage to sell for the client; not the other way around. Why is it only in the creative arts that agents have become so damn dictatorial?
  • Jill
    by Jill 3 months ago
    Skylark, Amarantha has summed it all up beautifully. I will only add X & virtual hugs. J :)
  • Deli
    by Deli 3 months ago
    Listen to Debi! Says it all...
  • Amarantha
    by Amarantha 3 months ago
    And Deli's response answers my question. Thanks, Deli.
  • Alanboy
    by Alanboy 3 months ago
    It seems to me you have been treated very shoddily by this agent. Does 'really like' not mean what it says? I hope this is not a typical agent.
    Take consolation in the great progress you have made.
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 3 months ago
    Skylark, I'm so sorry to read your disappointing news. I can imagine how you feel, having experienced several similar things myself. It is heartbreaking and it's difficult to see past that at first. But you clearly can already see past that a little bit, in saying that it's back to business as usual on Monday. Good for you!

    I agree with most of the comments here but in particular with those of Emma and Debi. Keep sending out your manuscript to other agents, but with that agent's words ringing in your ears - 'You do have a lovely style, though - loads and loads of potential'. THAT is what you hang on to (actually, I think you should copy out those words and stick them on your computer so you can always see them), and the fact that she would like to see whatever you write next. It may not seem like much consolation at the moment but it is huge. Plus the fact that she has spent so long nurturing your novel and encouraging you. Agents don't do that for everyone - they don't have time and only a few of the unsolicited authors who approach them may be worth the effort, for whatever reason. As Emma says, novels with parallel plots are very tricky to sell to publishers. (I speak from experience, like Emma, because I have tried it with agents. And failed.)

    Another area where you have proved that you have what it takes to be a writer is in your obvious cooperation with the agent when she suggested making revisions to your manuscript. For both agents and publishers, it is essential to work with authors who are happy to carry out revisions when necessary. Authors who accept that sometimes they need a nudge in the right direction, or that although their plot idea is good, someone else's is better, or that the pace of the book needs to change, or a million other changes. Books are to some degree always collaborative efforts, something that I don't think is appreciated enough by the wider public. The words are (usually but not always!) the author's, but the editor(s) will also have contributed in many ways, from straightforward editing to making suggestions for improvements. And that's not counting what the sales team will think. And, increasingly, agents have a huge input into the book before it ever reaches a publisher's desk, for a number of reasons including the very tough market at the moment.

    I realise that this sort of experience sends a shudder down the spine of anyone who is currently working on their manuscript and dreaming of sending it to an agent. Yes, it is alarming. And yes, it happens quite often. And yes, it is bloody awful. But the fact is - unpalatable though this might be - that publishing is a business and this is how it works. Most agents are doing their best, and many are finding it hard going at the moment. They are in touch with editors all the time, so they know what editors are looking for and what is doing well for them. They read the trade press, so they know what's selling and what's about to be published. They talk to fellow agents, so they know what life is like for them too. They look at sales figures, and they know that the sales of even some big-name novelists have halved in the past year. Halved!!! This makes it even tougher to sell books to publishers who are scratching their heads and wondering why the hell the sales of Mrs and Mr Bestseller have dipped so sharply in such a short period. Also, agents don't want to send out a manuscript by a new writer if they don't feel it's quite right, because the publisher may read it, think it's not much cop and then they might not want to see the next manuscript by that writer because they suspect it won't be much good either.

    This doesn't mean that another agent won't think differently, which is why it is a good idea to keep submitting the novel to other agents. But, Skylark, if I were you I wouldn't write off this agent completely. If you don't have any joy after trying other agents, you might want to consider pitching your next idea on the original agent, just to see what she thinks. She might jump up and down, yelling 'Write it! And write it now!'

    As you know, I've been in the publishing business since Noah was in short trousers, and in my experience talent always gets there in the end. And you clearly have talent. Lots of it.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thank you all for your lovely, supportive comments.

    Tony - yes, I can see all the positives and it's good to know that I have so many in my life. Thank you, as always, for your encouragement :-)

    John - I think it's about time you started a publishing house, then I *know* I would get published ;-) Thanks for believing in me :-)

    Emma/Spangles - great advice as always and thank you both for your perspective. I've got a clearer head this morning and I can see exactly what an opportunity it is to have the door still wedged open a little. While book number 2 brews, I will continue to submit book number 1.

    Charlie/Ama/Jill/Deli/Alanboy - thanks all for your sympathy - much appreciated!

    I just want to reiterate again that this wasn't a moan about the agent and I don't think that she has treated me badly. She gave me an opportunity five years ago to rewrite the MS into something that she was happy to promote. When I didn't get it quite right the first time, she gave me invaluable advice for the next rewrite and even though I've still not quite got it right for her this time, and although she's decided not to pursue this particular MS any further, I've got a much better MS to show for it all and an opportunity to approach her again in the future. I knew that my rewrites would not guarantee me representation so I do not feel that any promises have been broken. The disappointment that this rewrite didn't make her jump up and down with excitement is immense, as I really did want to work with her, but, as many of you have been quick to point out, it's not the end of the road by a long shot!

    Thanks all for your kind words and sympathy - watch this space....;-)
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 3 months ago
    Go, Skylark, go!
  • Caducean Whisks
    by Caducean Whisks 3 months ago
    Skylark, I'm late to this in public, but I've said a fair bit of it in private, so I won't go over it again - other than to say it's all true - everything everyone's said.
    However, another thought has occured to me: if the agent has been reading this book in all its incarnations for years, then it's possible that she can't come at it freshly any more - as a new reader might. We, as writers, suffer the same thing, when we know the history of every comma - it's difficult to shake old impressions sometimes, and they bleed through into the current version. Therefore, if she's jaded with it (as we all are at times), that might not have any relevance to the quality of the ms. So I'd reiterate - you have a ms that's a vast improvement, and I know you're grateful for that. So capitalise on it. Send it out again. Send out a dozen copies. Let someone who knows nothing of its history see it. Fresh blood. New energy.
    Like when your house has been on the market for ages without selling; you change estate agents, and bingo! Snapped up immediately.
    Although you're perfectly entitled to wibble for a while, slam doors, kick people, drink absinthe. Then when the hangover's passed, you've apologised to everyone and the new day dawns, get printing and posting. And glory in each rejection if it comes because each will take you one step closer to your goal. You only need one bite. Good luck, girl. Know you can do it.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks Spangles, and Whisks - that's a new angle that I hadn't considered but it does make sense! It's great to know I have such great supporters urging me on :-D
  • Squidge
    by Squidge 3 months ago
    Skylark - so disappointed for you. And nothing I write will take that away...but hang on to the positives. You have a vastly improved manuscript that others here have seen, liked, and think is an excellent piece of work. After the wibble, send it out again to other agents - as others have suggested, they may be the ones to jump up and down and there could be a whole new working relationship with someone else. Having persisted this long with it - don't give up! Your story is worth fighting fight for. Sending you hugs.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks, Squidge :-)
  • EmmaD
    by EmmaD 3 months ago
    "While book number 2 brews, I will continue to submit book number 1."

    Go Skylark!

    If anyone reading this is wondering what this business of an agent loving a book, suggesting lots of stuff, and so on is all about, then Harry's WAAYB Guide to getting Published is very good on what's really going on. It's not agents being dictatorial in the sense that it might appear; an agent can only take on a book she/he thinks she can sell, and has a perfect right not to take on a book which they love, but think they can't sell, for whatever reason. It's maddening - heartbreaking - desperately frustrating, but it's business. Every agent has a story of books they absolutely adored, and couldn't sell.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Yes, well said Emma - even if I don't happen to like it today!!
  • John Taylor
    by John Taylor 3 months ago
    Skylark, it might help if I explain one of the reasons I have believed in the extraordinary potential of your book from the start. Besides writing, I tell stories, and have soaked up folk tales, myths and legends all my life. Some stories have a quality of inevitability: they just couldn't be any other way. That is what I look for when I tell a story: a narrative with a particular, unforgettable shape - a narrative that just is. The genius of your parallel narrative is that it ties just such a 'given', tragic scenario into a present-day, realistic emotional drama. To do that in a natural, inevitable way, as you have done, is a touch of genius.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    *blushing furiously* If you are attempting to boost my ego, it's working! ;-) Seriously, though, I do understand that different people take different things from what they read. You 'got' my novel from the start so all I really need to do is find an agent who thinks like you - I wonder if that will appear as a footnote in any of the agents' entries in Artist's&Writer's Yearbook?! "This agent thinks like John Taylor" Bingo! Teehee :-)
  • John Taylor
    by John Taylor 3 months ago
    :-D Mmm...
  • Liss
    by Liss 3 months ago
    Sorry to hear that, Sky. The naff bit of advice that even agents don't always know a good thing when it crosses their path, comes to mind. People rejected Harry Potter and Twilight, be proud of all of that hard work you put into it and be proud that the agent is interested in your work in general.
    Another bit of harsh advice I was given is that sometimes, even if you love a story sometimes it is only useful for practice and that's it. :/
  • Charlie
    by Charlie 3 months ago
    'A Wrinkle in Time' was published 50 years ago, quite a few articles are being written about why it was such a milestone book at the moment. It went on to be a Science Fiction classic after 26 rejections!
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks, Liss. Yes, all true. Appreciate the sympathy :-)
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    An encouraging thought, Charlie! :-D
  • Liss
    by Liss 3 months ago
    That may not apply to you though, Sky, I hasten to add :) xx
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks, Liss, time will tell! :-)
  • zoolane
    by zoolane 3 months ago
    Don't give up
  • MinxieAD
    by MinxieAD 3 months ago
    I'm so disappointed for you. It really was sounding promising!

    I will say that I'm not impressed with the agent but, saying that, I'm sure she wouldn't have encouraged you unless she saw real potential in your writing. You're right to be looking at the positives which have come out of this. It's obviously not been all for nothing! I've read through the advice above, and agree that this is just one agent, who far from rejected your writing. Keep going, but give yourself the weekend to put things into perspective and eat lots of chocolate.

    I often say we should wish for the best outcome rather than the best conclusion. Yes, the best conclusion would have been your book being snapped up by this agent in 2007 - but in reality, the best outcome is the experience of learning and getting the best out of yourself, thus ending up with a superior novel which I am sure will get snapped up at some point!

    Good for you for not giving up! I know it will happen - it's just a case of when! x
  • MinxieAD
    by MinxieAD 3 months ago
    I changed sore for saw! Bit of a hangover today!
  • Gerilyn
    by Gerilyn 3 months ago
    Although I sympathise- because you're obviously feeling a bit raw- I am still hugely envious. You've obviously got talent and you have receiced far more attention from an agent than us mere mortals do. I am certain, therefore that one day you will get the break you deserve. Good luck, Sweets xxx
  • Charlie
    by Charlie 3 months ago
    I like your way of looking at it, Minxie! Will try and remember that.
  • Joanna
    by Joanna 3 months ago
    Skylark, you've obviously got loads of talent otherwise the agent wouldn't have worked with you for so long and I agree with what the others have been saying, start winging it out to other agents now. Agents are as fallible and as suseptible to subjective judgements as the rest of us, if they don't "get" a book they may well turn it down no matter how brilliant it is, The Help had, depending on who you read, between 40 and 60 rejections from agents before it found one, and she sold it to a publisher almost immediately. More modestly I have a friend who wrote a decent chick lit type novel, it got turned down flat by 11 agents with a couple of nice comments about the writing, the 12th rang up after a week said she loved reading it and knew an editor who wanted a book like that. The next week my friend had a two book contract.
    So send it out again. Now!
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks zoolane, Minxie, Geri and Joanna - I'm feeling quite buoyed up by all the support you've all given me. Minxie, I agree absolutely with your way of looking at it. If I had to do it all again, I would still spend five years rewriting and learning about writing. An invaluable experience with innumerable benefits. Thanks to you all, the 'rawness' is not quite so bad today and I'm already plotting my plan B (though technically, at this stage, I think I'm on plan Z!!) Thanks all! :-)
  • Kate7
    by Kate7 3 months ago
    I'm sorry to hear of your dissapointment. but try to keep thinking of the lessons you've learned, your a better writter now than you were years ago. Don't give up, send the Ms out to other agents, try writting other things. Just don't give up.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks Kate :-)
  • Gels
    by Gels 3 months ago
    Oh, Skylark, just catching up. Echo Echo Echo! No don't give up on it. You obviously have a great story to share. Now, how is that brew :) x
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks, Gels. Brew's coming along nicely but not quite got to the boil yet.....
  • zoolane
    by zoolane 3 months ago
    Trying loads different publishers just because she did not want to do, It does not mean someone wont do it. Good Luck.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Very true, Zoolane. One more day of wallowing today and then tomorrow morning I'm on the attack again ;-)
  • Barry Walsh
    by Barry Walsh 3 months ago
    Semantics, Skylark, I know, but why not call your recent experience a ‘near-hit’ (when you miss something, calling it a ‘near miss’ has never made much sense to me!)? You’re so close. Small adjustments, reloads and firing again will bring the ‘hit’ nearer. I hope you're already getting a production line of agent approaches organised.

    As I've been screaming at Arsenal (until yesterday): you miss 100% of the shots you don't take'. So shoot!
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks, Barry! 'Near-hit' it is, then ;-)
  • SecretSpi
    by SecretSpi 3 months ago
    If I know you, you'll already have got your MS out the next agent/s by now, but just wanted to say how sorry I am that this agent wasn't the one for this novel in the end. Had a much smaller scale version of this myself which only involved one rewrite but I still remember how much it hurt. Keep at it - I know you'll get there :-)
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks, Spi :-) You know me well - it is indeed on another agent's desk tonight (with a little bit of help from Harry at WWHQ) so fingers crossed....
  • Spangles
    by Spangles 3 months ago
    My fingers are crossed for you, Skylark. You'll get there, I'm sure, so I hope it's sooner rather than later.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks, Spangles, me too! I'm very rubbish at this waiting game....!
  • Wrathnar the Unreasonable
    by Wrathnar the Unreasonable 3 months ago
    Not much I can add to comments above, but *sympathy*
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    Thanks, Wrathy :-) Back to hoping while another agent takes a look so fingers crossed....
  • Harry
    by Harry 3 months ago
    Sorry to arrive to all this so late - though as Skylark knows, I've been doing my bit behind the scenes! - but one of the key messages from that first agent's rejection is in danger of getting a bit lost. SL has a brilliant, natural, warm, confident writing voice. That's the hardest thing to attain. The most precious.

    The journey to publication doesn't always get there in a single hop, but as someone who pitches a lot of work to agents, the single thing I most want is a voice that I'm confident in. I had that confidence with John's book recently. I have that confidence with SL's. I don't know whether this book, or this version of this book, will be The One, but publication is calling you, I can hear it.
  • Skylark
    by Skylark 3 months ago
    And in response to Harry's lovely comments about my writing, I must point out that my writing voice has evolved as a direct result of WW critiques, WW advice, WW courses and WW festivals! I paid for a WW critique of the first eight or so chapters of a very early, very different version of my book in 2005 and then paid for another critique of the finished MS sometime in 2006, and I am still reaping the benefits of WW advice and support - anyone who's considering a WW report, that's value for money! Most importantly the message has always been realistic, constructive and encouraging - a great mix. So, thank you Harry and everyone else at WW who have got me this far. Fingers remain crossed for the future....
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